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Re: Germany extends lifetime of all 3 remaining nuclear plants

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Post by legulere » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 7:07 PM UTC

hef19898 wrote: post #9

OrangeMonkey wrote: post #4

Good. Germany was facing a cold winter, without energy for heating, and the potential for rolling blackouts. With this change, it does not eliminate the threat but makes it less likely. Who in their right mind would decom any type of energy that could help stave off pain for their citizenship - especially one that has no carbon footprint.

Germany heats with gas, which is plenty in storage and again reasonably priced at markets. Germany isn't heating with electricity and their won't be, realistically, any rolling black-outs. Keeping the reactors online is good so, as it means less coal being burned, being ablebto trafe electricity on the markets, frees up the roughly 12% of electricity generate by gas (at least to an extent) for heating. And signals st…

It's also good for France, which currently has a shortfall of electricity and is heating with electricity.

Re: Germany extends lifetime of all 3 remaining nuclear plants

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Post by _dain_ » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 7:07 PM UTC

hef19898 wrote: post #9

OrangeMonkey wrote: post #4

Good. Germany was facing a cold winter, without energy for heating, and the potential for rolling blackouts. With this change, it does not eliminate the threat but makes it less likely. Who in their right mind would decom any type of energy that could help stave off pain for their citizenship - especially one that has no carbon footprint.

Germany heats with gas, which is plenty in storage and again reasonably priced at markets. Germany isn't heating with electricity and their won't be, realistically, any rolling black-outs. Keeping the reactors online is good so, as it means less coal being burned, being ablebto trafe electricity on the markets, frees up the roughly 12% of electricity generate by gas (at least to an extent) for heating. And signals st…

>Germany heats with gas [...] Germany isn't heating with electricity

And whose fault is that? Why can't their much-vaunted Energiewende manage to keep people warm? After half a trillion dollars of public investment in green energy?

Re: Germany extends lifetime of all 3 remaining nuclear plants

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Post by hef19898 » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 7:07 PM UTC

tomschlick wrote: post #5

OrangeMonkey wrote: post #4

Good. Germany was facing a cold winter, without energy for heating, and the potential for rolling blackouts. With this change, it does not eliminate the threat but makes it less likely. Who in their right mind would decom any type of energy that could help stave off pain for their citizenship - especially one that has no carbon footprint.

> Who in their right mind Activist politicians who value their cause more than the well being of their citizens.

Oh yeah, that's why even the Greens (owning their whole existence as a political party to the anti-nuclear movement of the 80s and 90s) is in favor of keeping those plants online a little bit longer. Remember, the current, and hastly implemented nuclear exit, was a CDU led kneejerk reaction, and rollback of the exit from the exit of nuclear, after Fukushima.

Re: Germany extends lifetime of all 3 remaining nuclear plants

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Post by tonymet » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 7:07 PM UTC

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Re: Germany extends lifetime of all 3 remaining nuclear plants

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Post by dr-detroit » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 7:09 PM UTC

DisjointedHunt wrote: post #2

They've only delayed it until its politically easier to shut it down. The German greens' leader has backed running Coal plants as an alternative[1] The whole political position of this party rests on their fanatic opposition to Nuclear power. [1] https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/19/energy/germany-russia-gas...

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Re: Germany extends lifetime of all 3 remaining nuclear plants

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Post by badpun » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 7:12 PM UTC

hef19898 wrote: post #9

OrangeMonkey wrote: post #4

Good. Germany was facing a cold winter, without energy for heating, and the potential for rolling blackouts. With this change, it does not eliminate the threat but makes it less likely. Who in their right mind would decom any type of energy that could help stave off pain for their citizenship - especially one that has no carbon footprint.

Germany heats with gas, which is plenty in storage and again reasonably priced at markets. Germany isn't heating with electricity and their won't be, realistically, any rolling black-outs. Keeping the reactors online is good so, as it means less coal being burned, being ablebto trafe electricity on the markets, frees up the roughly 12% of electricity generate by gas (at least to an extent) for heating. And signals st…

> reasonably priced at markets

I wouldn’t call 700% increase over just two years ago „reasonable”…

Re: Germany extends lifetime of all 3 remaining nuclear plants

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Post by squid322 » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 7:14 PM UTC

_dain_ wrote: post #6

DisjointedHunt wrote: post #2

They've only delayed it until its politically easier to shut it down. The German greens' leader has backed running Coal plants as an alternative[1] The whole political position of this party rests on their fanatic opposition to Nuclear power. [1] https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/19/energy/germany-russia-gas...

>The whole political position of this party rests on their fanatic opposition to Nuclear power. Btw if anyone thinks this is exaggeration, it's not. They are evil fanatics: https://twitter.com/giuliasaudelli/status/158097313099012505... >"Nuclear power and fossil fuels brought us here. They caused this crisis, they are not the solution." >Strong and at times emotional speech by Robert Habeck, after weeks under pressu…

The decision to turn off nuclear plants in Germany was __not__ made by the greens. It was made years ago by the CDU after Fukushima.

Re: Germany extends lifetime of all 3 remaining nuclear plants

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Post by maliker » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 7:14 PM UTC

In case anyone was curious, Germany used to get 25% of its generation from nuclear (now more like 10%), and they had as many as 17 nuclear reactors as of 2010.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Germany

Re: Germany extends lifetime of all 3 remaining nuclear plants

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 7:15 PM UTC

legulere wrote: post #11

hef19898 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germany heats with gas, which is plenty in storage and again reasonably priced at markets. Germany isn't heating with electricity and their won't be, realistically, any rolling black-outs. Keeping the reactors online is good so, as it means less coal being burned, being ablebto trafe electricity on the markets, frees up the roughly 12% of electricity generate by gas (at least to an extent) for heating. And signals st…

It's also good for France, which currently has a shortfall of electricity and is heating with electricity.

Doesn't France only have a shortfall because rivers were low during summer and Nuclear Reactors couldn't produce regular outputs?

The rivers won't be low in the winter.

Re: Germany extends lifetime of all 3 remaining nuclear plants

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 7:16 PM UTC

maliker wrote: post #18

In case anyone was curious, Germany used to get 25% of its generation from nuclear (now more like 10%), and they had as many as 17 nuclear reactors as of 2010. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Germany

Good thing they exported 15% of their domestic energy production to the friendly state of Russia - in the form of natural gas imports ($20B per year).

What could possibly go wrong?