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Former WSJ reporter says law firm used Indian hackers to sabotage his career

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Re: Former WSJ reporter says law firm used Indian hackers to sabotage his career

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Post by P5fRxh5kUvp2th »

tchaffee wrote: post #140
P5fRxh5kUvp2th wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does one evenly distribute power without giving the same level of power to everyone? When you answer that you cannot do so, you're admitting to asking for a direct democracy. "Oh, but what about this adaptation that ..." puts more power into certain hands than another. Maybe it's flatter, but it's not even. It's sort of like saying people can fly. The second you add the requirement that it be actionable (aka, gro…

> How does one evenly distribute power without giving the same level of power to everyone? One attempt at this would be representational democracy. > When you answer that you cannot do so, you're admitting to asking for a direct democracy. No one gave that as an answer.

https://www.thoughtco.com/representative-democracy-definitio...

> The votes of elected officials in a representative democracy may not always reflect the will of the people. The officials are not bound by law to vote the way the people who elected them want them to vote.

hummm.... that sounds like more power in the hands of less people.

IOW, your argument is based in fiction. Which is cool, we need stories about people flapping their hands to fly. It's fun!

We just need to be clear earlier in the conversation on whether or not reality is part of the goal or not.

Re: Former WSJ reporter says law firm used Indian hackers to sabotage his career

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Post by tchaffee »

P5fRxh5kUvp2th wrote: post #141
tchaffee wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How does one evenly distribute power without giving the same level of power to everyone? One attempt at this would be representational democracy. > When you answer that you cannot do so, you're admitting to asking for a direct democracy. No one gave that as an answer.

https://www.thoughtco.com/representative-democracy-definitio... > The votes of elected officials in a representative democracy may not always reflect the will of the people. The officials are not bound by law to vote the way the people who elected them want them to vote. hummm.... that sounds like more power in the hands of less people. IOW, your argument is based in fiction. Which is cool, we need stories about peop…

> that sounds like more power in the hands of less people.

Indeed. Fortunately the only person here that has a problem with that is the strawman you created. The strawman you continue to fight.

From the original comment, with some emphasis to help your comprehension:

"Concentrated power WITHOUT CHECKS AND BALANCES is the problem"

Re: Former WSJ reporter says law firm used Indian hackers to sabotage his career

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Post by [deleted] »

Zpalmtree wrote: post #72
ok_dad wrote: post #44

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Sounds to me like we should eliminate the idea that high performance and achievement should be rewarded with wealth or being raised above others. Perhaps it would be better if people learned from a young age that achievement is its own reward? Are we such animals that we need special treats in order to do the right thing? I think it’s a childish attitude that if you don’t get more cookies than someone else that you’l…

You can wish all you like but it won't change human nature

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Re: Former WSJ reporter says law firm used Indian hackers to sabotage his career

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Post by Natsu »

tchaffee wrote: post #100
Natsu wrote: post #64

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Musk would have more difficulty funding all those companies that have made all those advances. And there are already very few Musks out there.

One person deciding where all that money is invested is a sort of economic dictator. Trying to live on Mars is polluting our planet. If you don't agree with that use of resources, it's not a benevolent dictatorship.

It's far more democratic than that, at least insofar as people voluntarily gave the person money vs. it being collected in non-voluntary ways.

And yes, that may be non-binary in that some of Elon's money has likely come from the government where we have less choice about spending it, other money may come from voluntarily purchased Teslas and whatnot.

Re: Former WSJ reporter says law firm used Indian hackers to sabotage his career

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Post by fareesh »

alex_smart wrote: post #120
fareesh wrote: post #84

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- Because Indian in this context is not a reference to the ethnicity but of location - i.e. it's not the DNA of the people that is Indian, it's the borders in which they are physically present while hacking. Many are unaware that India has a lot of phenotype diversity in its 1 billion people. There are dark skinned people in the south, light skinned people in the north, and almond shape eyed people in the east. Merel…

This is a comment from this thread itself: "I think it's covered in the Dark Basin episode of Darknet Diaries, but India apparently has a reputation for especially aggressive private investigators, who were historically used to dig up dirt on families before committing to marriage pacts, but in the modern era are used regularly for PR and corporate blackmail. Apparently this practice is ingrained enough into the cult…

I'm not sure I follow the point that is being made here

The comment is referring to the standard practices of private investigators in this country, and the nature of the corporate world based on what has been seen in some TV show

What's the problem with this?

Hypothetical example: I once watched a documentary about Africa and smuggling of ivory and it showed X, Y and Z. What does this mean? That because of this documentary I have a bias about Africa which now shapes all my decision making? Where does that line get drawn? I consumed the information, what does that have to do with how it affects my opinion of the people there?

Re: Former WSJ reporter says law firm used Indian hackers to sabotage his career

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Post by fareesh »

alex_smart wrote: post #121
fareesh wrote: post #96

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The publisher here (Reuters) is well aware of everything I've mentioned. They don't need to customize their headlines to modify the reaction of the people you are referencing. Those people should not be leading the decision making process for excluding facts from headlines.

>They don't need to customize their headlines to modify the reaction of the people you are referencing Why not? Doesn't media regularly customize their headlines to avoid stating factually true things that would propagate negative stereotypes against minorities and other protected groups? I think most responsible media organizations do avoid putting headlines like "Muslim man stabs three in church in Nice". Even if t…

They absolutely should not be customizing headlines for fear of how it affects a small fringe of people who are going to think that way regardless of a Reuters headline

Re: Former WSJ reporter says law firm used Indian hackers to sabotage his career

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Post by alex_smart »

fareesh wrote: post #126
alex_smart wrote: post #119

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"Indian" is not just an national identity but also an ethnic one. A person of Indian origin born in America or the UK is still very easily identifiable and is identified by their Indian identity. The usage of the word "racism" to include xenophobia is common enough in a casual context that I cannot believe that you are simply not aware of that usage. By choosing to argue over the semantics of the word racism over usa…

It is not an ethnic identity (see my other comment)

Did you read my justification for saying that it is also an ethnic identity. It was literally the next sentence.

Re: Former WSJ reporter says law firm used Indian hackers to sabotage his career

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Post by alex_smart »

P5fRxh5kUvp2th wrote: post #128
alex_smart wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Indian" is not just an national identity but also an ethnic one. A person of Indian origin born in America or the UK is still very easily identifiable and is identified by their Indian identity. The usage of the word "racism" to include xenophobia is common enough in a casual context that I cannot believe that you are simply not aware of that usage. By choosing to argue over the semantics of the word racism over usa…

If you need such a broad term, use the word 'bias'. Racism has a specific meaning, people are holding to account for a reason.

Good luck trying to control how people use language. I was just saying that it was already a common enough usage that you should be aware of it, even if you disagree with that usage.

Re: Former WSJ reporter says law firm used Indian hackers to sabotage his career

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Post by alex_smart »

fareesh wrote: post #145
alex_smart wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a comment from this thread itself: "I think it's covered in the Dark Basin episode of Darknet Diaries, but India apparently has a reputation for especially aggressive private investigators, who were historically used to dig up dirt on families before committing to marriage pacts, but in the modern era are used regularly for PR and corporate blackmail. Apparently this practice is ingrained enough into the cult…

I'm not sure I follow the point that is being made here The comment is referring to the standard practices of private investigators in this country, and the nature of the corporate world based on what has been seen in some TV show What's the problem with this? Hypothetical example: I once watched a documentary about Africa and smuggling of ivory and it showed X, Y and Z. What does this mean? That because of this docu…

If you can't see a problem in making a broad stroke judgment on the culture of a billion people on the basis of a single documentary, I am not sure that I can have a conversation with you. Have a good day.

Re: Former WSJ reporter says law firm used Indian hackers to sabotage his career

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Post by mola »

P5fRxh5kUvp2th wrote: post #131
mola wrote: post #105

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This. The problem is a dstribution of power most of all. If power is concentrated in government, it's as bad if it's concentrated with an individual with his own private police force. Private espionage force etc. All this strawman about the failures of absolute equality are just slight of hand to ignore the very obvious problem with a world where a single person have the power of a state. The state legitimacy should…

What if the people want slavery? Or is this vaunted flat democracy only allowed when the result aligns with your morals? It's called tyranny of the majority

Huh? Never talked about "flat democracy" I consider a representative democracy to be a form of self governing. You really missed the whole point of my post
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