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American Airlines is trying to stop a popular app used by flight attendants

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Re: American Airlines is trying to stop a popular app used by flight attendants

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Post by badcppdev »

pjc50 wrote: post #38
ketzo wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two thoughts: 1. Wow, that looks like an extremely useful app if you're a flight attendant! 2. How is their employer not providing this functionality? I guess maybe they are, but only parts, or it's a shittier version. But still.

The critical bit is probably the "legality checker". Absolutely no way an employer would offer one of those. Reading between the lines, flight attendant scheduling is probably quite .. adversarial, as shift scheduling at restaurants can be. The employer would like employees to have the minimum information so they meekly accept the shifts they're given.

What's a legality checker?

Re: American Airlines is trying to stop a popular app used by flight attendants

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Post by onphonenow »

Retric wrote: post #23
nnm wrote: post #20

It is commonsense to use the hardware/software authorized by your employer to do the work. One side story. It is third party app that is not authorized by AA. Instead of get permission through a contract, the app developer scraped AA's data without AA's permission.

You don’t need specific permission to scrape data.

If it’s your employers you do

If it’s an app on apples App Store you do

Re: American Airlines is trying to stop a popular app used by flight attendants

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Post by mellavora »

josefresco wrote: post #12
sidewndr46 wrote: post #3

I don't understand. What does this app do?

Same reaction, I'm totally lost. "it displays information required by crew members to manage their rosters and work lives" What does this mean? I read the entire article and still have no clue what a "roster" is, why a flight attendant would need to "manage" such a thing, and what data is being pulled to make this easier/better "‘reserve’ flight attendants " Also have no idea what a "reserve" flight attendant is... E…

When I run across words that I don't understand, I often find a dictionary gives me faster response than posting on HN.

But HN can be more entertaining.

Re: American Airlines is trying to stop a popular app used by flight attendants

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Post by mannerheim »

badcppdev wrote: post #41
pjc50 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The critical bit is probably the "legality checker". Absolutely no way an employer would offer one of those. Reading between the lines, flight attendant scheduling is probably quite .. adversarial, as shift scheduling at restaurants can be. The employer would like employees to have the minimum information so they meekly accept the shifts they're given.

What's a legality checker?

My guess is it checks whether their shifts are compliant with labour laws.

Re: American Airlines is trying to stop a popular app used by flight attendants

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Post by parineum »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #27
josefresco wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same reaction, I'm totally lost. "it displays information required by crew members to manage their rosters and work lives" What does this mean? I read the entire article and still have no clue what a "roster" is, why a flight attendant would need to "manage" such a thing, and what data is being pulled to make this easier/better "‘reserve’ flight attendants " Also have no idea what a "reserve" flight attendant is... E…

I didn't write the article, but I wasn't aware there were English speakers who didn't know the word roster either. It's a calendar of times employees have to work i.e. It tells you when your shifts are. What do you call that? Also a reserve is something you have spare in case the original planned one can't operate. So a reserve flight attendant would be someone who is on call in case someone else is sick, etcetera.

That's a schedule.

A roster is a list of people and their roles. A schedule is a roster with chronological information.

Reserve is probably something people should understand but backup works as well.

Re: American Airlines is trying to stop a popular app used by flight attendants

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Post by dopamean »

badcppdev wrote: post #41
pjc50 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The critical bit is probably the "legality checker". Absolutely no way an employer would offer one of those. Reading between the lines, flight attendant scheduling is probably quite .. adversarial, as shift scheduling at restaurants can be. The employer would like employees to have the minimum information so they meekly accept the shifts they're given.

What's a legality checker?

My guess is that it has something to do with whether or not a trip can be legally flown by an airline employee given the amount of hours of flying time they already have clocked for a given period.

Re: American Airlines is trying to stop a popular app used by flight attendants

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Post by TobyTheDog123 »

Clent wrote: post #34
dboreham wrote: post #5

Rule #1: don't start a business that depends on data owned by some other business. Rule #1-1: especially if your product adversely affects the other business. Rule #1-2: especially if the other business is much larger than yours.

This is the most anti startup logic I've witnessed on here. Many startups have succeeded while violating all of these rules.

A lot of HackerNews posters are very sympathetic to the difficulties and troubles of massive billion-dollar companies.

Re: American Airlines is trying to stop a popular app used by flight attendants

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Post by tsol »

TobyTheDog123 wrote: post #26

How long until Apple removes this app for the same reasons as The OG App? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33015769 5.2.2 Third-Party Sites/Services: If your app uses, accesses, monetizes access to, or displays content from a third-party service, ensure that you are specifically permitted to do so under the service’s terms of use. Authorization must be provided upon request.

Hmm honestly it looks like they'd be in the right to take it down too. I support the app and I think it's cool what they're(the app makers) doing, but it's not surprise that app stores might not be cool with the DIY nature of how they get the data.

Re: American Airlines is trying to stop a popular app used by flight attendants

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Post by toomuchtodo »

badcppdev wrote: post #41
pjc50 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The critical bit is probably the "legality checker". Absolutely no way an employer would offer one of those. Reading between the lines, flight attendant scheduling is probably quite .. adversarial, as shift scheduling at restaurants can be. The employer would like employees to have the minimum information so they meekly accept the shifts they're given.

What's a legality checker?

Checks if the airline scheduler is complying with duty limits. Trust but verify.

"14 CFR § 121.467 - Flight attendant duty period limitations and rest requirements: Domestic, flag, and supplemental operations."

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/121.467

Re: American Airlines is trying to stop a popular app used by flight attendants

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Post by shagie »

badcppdev wrote: post #41
pjc50 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The critical bit is probably the "legality checker". Absolutely no way an employer would offer one of those. Reading between the lines, flight attendant scheduling is probably quite .. adversarial, as shift scheduling at restaurants can be. The employer would like employees to have the minimum information so they meekly accept the shifts they're given.

What's a legality checker?

I believe - making sure that they're not working too many flights back to back.

This can get tricky when flying across time zones and date lines.

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