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Chainalysis CTO said blockchain is easier to trace than paper money

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Largely issue is not the loss of anonymity, which average person does not care about, but economically, long-term, blockchain-based financial systems will likely create more centralized systems, not less.

If I am missing something, would be interested in understanding why.

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Don't tell him about Monero bruuuh :D

Don't tell the crypto Bruhs about the several vulnerabilities already found in the Monero anonnymisation system. https://arxiv.org/pdf/1704.04299/ The problem is also one of credibility, Bitcoin was supposed to be private and breaching privacy has proved to be pretty trivial. Encryption is hard, but maintaining anonymity is much harder.

That paper is from 2018. I expect they've been remediated by now, though everything is going to be vulnerable at some point in some way. What matters is for how long.

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Don't use AML/KYC entities?

I can't use crypto for anything useful without it. This advice means crypto is useless.

not entirely correct; if you both earn and spend all of your crypto directly as cryptocurrency, then you can fairly easily just remain entirely anonymous. This just doesn't apply to most people, at least most who do legal business.

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The lack of trust means that the only thing left to guarantee (to a normal person) that the system is working is transparency.

transparency Has anyone seen the financial records for Tether?

Tether is a centralized bank that happens to use a blockchain as a backend. When people say "crypto is transparent" that doesn't mean you can't build things that are not transparent that use crypto. Similarly, one can benefit from a fully-open laptop (with open firmware running Linux or whatever) even if it allows people to still develop closed source software that runs on it, and even if some of that software is merely a front for software that runs on it is just a client for some remote server whose behavior cannot be modeled... because on the locked down device (imagine an iPhone) you can never develop something whose behavior is transparent as you can never discount what the platform is letting the developer hide from you.

Re: Chainalysis CTO said blockchain is easier to trace than paper money

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Don't tell him about Monero bruuuh :D

Don't tell the crypto Bruhs about the several vulnerabilities already found in the Monero anonnymisation system. https://arxiv.org/pdf/1704.04299/ The problem is also one of credibility, Bitcoin was supposed to be private and breaching privacy has proved to be pretty trivial. Encryption is hard, but maintaining anonymity is much harder.

Theory vs. practice. When there's a DoJ case with a web that's all unified through Monero, then you have proof Monero has been busted. Monero hasn't been busted.

From the paper - "Our techniques show that Monero is not necessarily a dead end for investigators."

And then offers zero evidence to demonstrate that investigators were able to use anything from the seizures.

This is not evidence - "They (mistakenly?) advised their hopeful subscribers to publish their email addresses (hexencoded, but publicly visible) in the Monero blockchain, leading to these transactions being identified" [31]

[31] - https://steemit.com/shadowbrokers/@wh1sks/ theshadowbrokers-may-have-received-up-to-1500-monerousd66-000-from-their-june-monthly-dump-service

Link is broken - where is the evidence that 1500 XMR was transacted?

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> Unfortunately, this aspect of his brilliant design was one of the first things to be undermined by subsequent blockchain operators. Many cryptocurrencies that have been created since are unlimited in supply, including some of the most heavily speculated ones like Solana, Dogecoin and Shiba Inu. > This is worse than what the central banks have done. No, it's not. Even a coin that is emitted one per second forever is…

Yeah, that one in particular was a pretty bad take. Who cares how many shitcoins people create? Just ignore them. That's like me claiming that the stock market has been undermined because people can start an unlimited number of companies.

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What is the point you are trying to convey?

That many things these days are called Blockchain, as if to appear secure, but they're no more sophisticated than centralised databases, while actual blockchains, like Bitcoin as exemplified in its whitepaper, is designed to be a secure and decentralised chain of transactions. "Blockchain" has stopped meaning anything when people decided to use it for anything remotely related to internet money. It's just become a fa…

Bitcoin is traceable due to its very implementation. Unless you know how to use it properly, it's very easy to deanonymize yourself on accident. And once that happens, all the transactions thereafter are easy to follow.

Monero, on the other hand, is designed to intentionally be hard to trace history of transactions on.

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> The traditional banking model achieves a level of privacy by limiting access to information to the parties involved and the trusted third party. The necessity to announce all transactions publicly precludes this method, but privacy can still be maintained by breaking the flow of information in another place: by keeping public keys anonymous. The public can see that someone is sending an amount to someone else, but…

Satoshi+in their writings) didn't understand the side channel attack of the Blockchain-meatspace bridge. Bitcoin only meets its design guarantees in a purely virtual world or with anonymous terminals. Bitcoin is already expensive enough to transact in, are you also going to move to a different location every time your transact?

> Bitcoin is already expensive enough to transact in

Yesterday the average transaction cost was 0.7 USD. That’s pretty cheap as far as money transfers go, definitely beats most banks.

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This seems to be lost on a lot of folks, which I find strange in a tech-centric forum. Bitcoin is perfectly pseudonymous, as it strives to be, and not anonymous, which it has never attempted to be.

My recollection is that Satoshi wanted people to rotate public keys after every use exactly to have anonymity.

And some wallets do this automatically. But if you send a transaction and the change flows directly from your previous wallet to your next wallet, you're not accomplishing much.
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