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Don't Be A Free User

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Re: Don't Be A Free User

#131

Put a Flattr button on your free cool website. ( https://flattr.com/ ) Problem solved.

Ok, maybe I should have worded it: Another alternative in between paysite and freesite would be to give the user the opportunity to pay whatever they want. With Flattr or Kachingle.

But still, is it really as easy as that? Problem solved? I'm sure some can survive on donations alone, but how would you know?

Re: Don't Be A Free User

#132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No one is ignoring advertising revenue, harvesting millions of users in order to bring in said advertising revenue is the problem. Why is it a problem? So they show me a few adverts... big whoop. I can just ignore them. The issue is, the vast majority of people will never pay for access to online websites/apps (Me included). If you restrict yourself to the business model "charge users", then you've just got rid of…

"I can just ignore them." Only if you block them. Advertising is not informative, it's coaxing you, and just because you don't consciously decide you're going to read an ad now doesn't mean you get to ignore it.

BS. Advertising is useful and informative, and I choose which interest me and which don't. If you can't ignore things that don't interest you, then you have problems.

Walk down a city street. It's full of adverts for shops you might want to go in.

Re: Don't Be A Free User

#133
The author didn't bring up the point that many of those services became successful (not yet profitable) because they were free. The years when they had no ads and charged nothing are considered loss-leaders in order to build a large network, because their services typically benefit strongly from first order network effects.

Google didn't always have such an indisputable business model. Who knew search was so profitable? Would it have been as successful if it started charging users right off the bat, or covering the results pages with (irrelevant) ads before contextual ads were developed?

Re: Don't Be A Free User

#134
post #27

I love Pinboard, but it's a one man operation. Maciej is extremely susceptible to get hit by a bus tomorrow, leaving me without my $9.23 and all of my bookmarks. You're telling me that if someone offered you $1-5 mil to lead a team at insert huge tech company here you'd turn it down? Bitch, please. That chart is overall correct, but it's not like paying is suddenly going to be a panacea. I give flickr $25 a year, but…

My conspiracy theory is that "get hit by a bus" theme was invented by the huge IT corporations so that they can sell two consultants instead of one to other corporations.

Re: Don't Be A Free User

#135

I think geeks have severely irrational expectations as to what they are "owed" by someone just because that someone has created something which they used or enjoyed.

I couldn't disagree more. Startups just going away over night is _the_ major objection I hear from business users (small and large) against using any of these products.

Purely consumer oriented entertainment kind of apps may be a different matter, but for anything else consumers are very apprehensive when there is any talk of losing access to an app they rely on. Unlike geeks, they can't just take some CSV dump and move their data elsewhere. For them, the UI is the data.

You may be annoyed about the tone in which some geeks complain about free apps going away, but don't let that mislead you into thinking geeks are the issue here. There is a huge issue and it's not opinionated geeks.

Re: Don't Be A Free User

#136

I think geeks have severely irrational expectations as to what they are "owed" by someone just because that someone has created something which they used or enjoyed.

I couldn't disagree more. Startups just going away over night is _the_ major objection I hear from business users (small and large) against using any of these products. Purely consumer oriented entertainment kind of apps may be a different matter, but for anything else consumers are very apprehensive when there is any talk of losing access to an app they rely on. Unlike geeks, they can't just take some CSV dump and m…

A business which wants a guarantee of continued service from a vendor knows exactly how to phrase that: contract.

Re: Don't Be A Free User

#137
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does make you a product. Google can take the millions of you searching for that term and say "hey you people related to that term", and sell them based on the fact that you searched for it an a small percentage of you will click that advertisments. I almost feel that we are lucky that advertisements are more profitable when they are more useful to us, god forbid if A/B testing showed that FULL PAGE FLASHING BANNER…

> No one is ignoring advertising revenue, harvesting millions of users in order to bring in said advertising revenue is the problem. Why is it a problem? So they show me a few adverts... big whoop. I can just ignore them. The issue is, the vast majority of people will never pay for access to online websites/apps (Me included). If you restrict yourself to the business model "charge users", then you've just got rid of…

But the vast majority of people do pay for online access to ad-funded apps every time they purchase something from a company that runs an ad. I don't imagine Heinz ads make any money from click-throughs, they promote the brand - but Heinz paid for those ads with the money I spent on ketchup last week, which is the only brand in the local store, so it's not like they needed the ad to convince me.

Re: Don't Be A Free User

#138
post #96

Finding out that Trunk.ly, which I've grown to love, is shutting down...well it flat out pisses me off. Great post. Thanks for having the courage to state the truth, that most startup founders don't give a about users.

> Thanks for having the courage to state the truth, that most startup founders don't give a about users.

Is this a public secret. Do you think Steve Jobs was so obsessed with user experience because he cared about you personally?

Re: Don't Be A Free User

#140
Both paid & free have their place in the world. Not quite sure why the one is being portrayed as evil?

I also don't think its the responsibility/right of the user to fix the business model of the company ("Make them charge you or show you ads.").

To me the "pump and dump" approach is perfectly legit. Just make sure nobody gets hurt. e.g. Allow customer to export their data. Companies aim to make money, not win a papal election.

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