The fact that it had to be mentioned at all for a weather app is concerning & telling of the state of tech
Privacy in good weather apps that are innovative can be tricky. Phones have enough sensors like barometers to be useful weather stations, and collecting that data could improve forecasts. But that also includes accurate location data, and making a useful forecast model from data collected on device is significantly more challenging when you account for privacy needs. The “telling state of tech” may be that our hardwa…
Privacy respecting weather app for Android
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Re: Privacy respecting weather app for Android
#32It seems like a privacy respecting app shouldn't leave your privacy dependent on the ongoing and unwavering benevolence of the developer or the services their app uses. For a weather app that would mean not sending my location data anywhere, but also not sending the locations I want the weather for anywhere either since if you know that most of the time you'll be able to tell where I am or where I will be. The ideal…
I have no problem manually enter my location once in a few months (or more likely once and for good for home address and 1-2x per year for vacation location).
Re: Privacy respecting weather app for Android
#33Privacy Friendly Weather lets you watch the weather for cities and locations you are interested in. The app has been developed by the research group SECUSO at Karlsruhe Institute of Technology. More info can be found on https://secuso.org/pfa
* are Open Source (GPLv3) and their source code can be viewed an GitHub by anybody
* used minimal permissions
* do not neither tracking mechanisms nor advertisement
The app are made by students of the Karlsruhe Institute of Technology.
Re: Privacy respecting weather app for Android
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are some privacy techniques the app could use that are hard for a web app. For example it could update the weather information at a fixed rate so it would not leak the usage patterns of the app.
Web apps can do that too. Google for "pwa sync background" to see how.
But maybe it's possible to use the other PWA support without the periodic sync API to cook up similar functionality?
Re: Privacy respecting weather app for Android
#35What's the point of Weather app respecting privacy if its data source (OpenWeatherMap) has horribly inaccurate data? I use Weawow and Today Weather, none of them have access to Location, actually both of them have no permissions granted at all and works fine. I don't use apps which don't allow manually selecting Location.
Re: Privacy respecting weather app for Android
#36https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=bbc.mobile.wea...
Re: Privacy respecting weather app for Android
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Privacy in good weather apps that are innovative can be tricky. Phones have enough sensors like barometers to be useful weather stations, and collecting that data could improve forecasts. But that also includes accurate location data, and making a useful forecast model from data collected on device is significantly more challenging when you account for privacy needs. The “telling state of tech” may be that our hardwa…
Sure, but I'm fine with sharing my data for that purpose. I also have an app that registers any possible earthquakes and shares that data with a centralized server for analysis. I'm perfectly fine with that, as long as they don't sell my data to anyone who wants to market earthquake safety equipment or wants to track my location. Transparency on the use of data is important to make decisions on this type of stuff. If…
Individual and aggregated environmental sensor data could be used for so many good things. We can track storms, fires and floods, earthquakes, air and noise pollution, and save lives.
But it is abused by a greedy, unethical few, and so the systems can no longer be trusted.
Medical data, individual and aggregated, can be used to stop transmissible disease by detecting outbreaks, and improve our personal health through exercise monitoring and early issue diagnosis.
But it is abused by a greedy, unethical few, and so the systems can no longer be trusted.
Domestic data has the potential to manage energy, water use and air quality, keep homes safe from intruders, protect the elderly and babies.
But it is abused by a greedy, unethical few, and so the systems can no longer be trusted.
The pattern here looks like a tragedy of the commons. As engineers we can build systems with ostensible social utility which are then hijacked (sold, acquired, infiltrated) by "digital pirates" who turn them into systems of abuse (surveillance, manipulation and control). Each time the empty "assurances" are the same and the corruption predictable, inevitable and painful.
Perhaps it is time to stop thinking about "privacy" at the level of technical measures and permissions etc, and deal with corruption and abuse, which seems intrinsic to tech, at a different level. We have the mathematical/cryptological knowledge to build better systems. but it's the unethical few who benefit from stealing our data who don't want computer systems to be secure.
Re: Privacy respecting weather app for Android
#38I really like Rain Alarm ( https://app.rain-alarm.com/ ). They do collect data, but they are very explicit about what they collect, how it is treated, and when it is removed. Even if you don't want to use it due to personal reasons, you have to respect them putting this info right at the forefront, as most try to hide it. Also, I didn't even realize until now, but the app's functionality is available via the web ( ht…
Re: Privacy respecting weather app for Android
#39The fact that it had to be mentioned at all for a weather app is concerning & telling of the state of tech
Privacy in good weather apps that are innovative can be tricky. Phones have enough sensors like barometers to be useful weather stations, and collecting that data could improve forecasts. But that also includes accurate location data, and making a useful forecast model from data collected on device is significantly more challenging when you account for privacy needs. The “telling state of tech” may be that our hardwa…
and then you go on to say "but I would just like to not give folks privacy because it's much more convenient for me not to".
That's not tricky, that's called being a shark. You are making the world a worse place by reasoning in this way and an even worse place by trying to spread it to other people.
Re: Privacy respecting weather app for Android
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Web apps can do that too. Google for "pwa sync background" to see how.
I ended up here https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Web_Periodi... - but the browser compatbility says it's missing from Firefox which probably many/most F-Droid users are using. But maybe it's possible to use the other PWA support without the periodic sync API to cook up similar functionality?