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Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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what proprietary code? the guy on Twitter is seeing his own GPL code bring reproduced. nothing proprietary there. do you have the "don't reproduce code verbatim" preference set?

The code is not GPL but is copyrighted in his name.

GPL'd code has a copyright owner.

those two things exist at the same time.

try reading a licence now and again!

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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I’ve noticed that people tend to disapprove of AI trained on their profession’s data, but are usually indifferent or positive about other applications of AI. For example, I know artists who are vehemently against DALL-E, Stable Diffusion, etc. and regard it as stealing, but they view Copilot and GPT-3 as merely useful tools. I also know software devs who are extremely excited about AI art and GPT-3 but are outraged b…

> I know artists who are vehemently against DALL-E, Stable Diffusion, etc. and regard it as stealing, but they view Copilot and GPT-3 as merely useful tools.

An example: https://twitter.com/DaveScheidt/status/1578411434043580416

> I also know software devs who are extremely excited about AI art and GPT-3 but are outraged by Copilot.

The fear is not unwarranted though. I can clearly see AI replacing most jobs (not just in tech) but art, crafts, music and even science. There probably will be no field untouched by AI in this decade and completely replaced by next decade.

We have multiple extinction events for humanity lined up: Climate Change, Nuclear Apocalypse and now AI.

We will have to not just work towards reducing harm to the Planet, but also work towards stopping meaningless Wars and figuring out how to deal with unemployment and economic crisis that is looming on the horizon. The only ones to suffer in the end would be the "elites" (or will they be the first depending on how quickly Civilization goes towards Anarchy?).

Can't say for sure. But definitely gloomy days ahead.

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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I’ve noticed that people tend to disapprove of AI trained on their profession’s data, but are usually indifferent or positive about other applications of AI. For example, I know artists who are vehemently against DALL-E, Stable Diffusion, etc. and regard it as stealing, but they view Copilot and GPT-3 as merely useful tools. I also know software devs who are extremely excited about AI art and GPT-3 but are outraged b…

I often quote this comment regarding AI advances and jobs [0]:

> Yes, many of us will turn into cowards when automation starts to touch our work, but that would not prove this sentiment incorrect - only that we're cowards.

>> Dude. What the hell kind of anti-life philosophy are you subscribing to that calls "being unhappy about people trying to automate an entire field of human behavior" being a "coward". Geez.

>>> Because automation is generally good, but making an exemption for specific cases of automation that personally inconvenience you is rooted is cowardice/selfishness. Similar to NIMBYism.

It's true cowardice to assume that our own profession should be immune from AI while other professions are not. Either dislike all AI, or like it. To be in between is to be a hypocrite.

For me, I definitely am on the side of full AI, even if it automates my job away, simply because I see AI as an advancing force on mankind.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32461138#32463198

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Surely at the very least it'd be a TOS violation? I doubt any stock photo service grants you enough rights to redistribute their watermarked free image samples? Especially not in the context of a project like Stable Diffusion?

But it's not reproducing their samples. It's just adding their watermark to newly generated pictures you can't find in the training set.

If the watermark is their logo or name, it could copyrighted or trademarked.

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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SD is better than the other two, but it will still centralize control. I imagine that Disney would take issue with SD if material that Disney owned the copyright to was used in SD. They would sue. SD would have to be taken off the market. Thus, Disney has the power to ensure that their copyrighted material remains protected from outside interests, and they can still create unique things that bring in audiences. Any s…

How is this situation made any worse by these AI systems? If a small time artist has their work stolen, they probably won't be able to fight it very well. They might be able to get a few taken down, but the sheer number will make it impossible to keep up. Disney, on the other hand, will have armies of lawyers going after any copyright violation. It seems the same whether AI is involved or not.

The sheer scale is what makes it worse.

Because you are right: a few, and a small time artist can fight. Hundreds and thousands of copies, or millions, and even Disney struggles. That's why Disney would go after the model itself; it scales better.

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Howdy, folks. Ryan here from the GitHub Copilot product team. I don’t know how the original poster’s machine was set-up, but I’m gonna throw out a few theories about what could be happening. If similar code is open in your VS Code project, Copilot can draw context from those adjacent files. This can make it appear that the public model was trained on your private code, when in fact the context is drawn from local fil…

This doesn’t at all address the primary issue, which is one of licensing.

Is it a valid defense against copyright infringement to say “we don’t know where we got it, maybe someone else copied it from you first?”

If someone violated the copyright of a song by sampling too much of it and released it in the public domain (or failed to claim it at all), and you take the entire sample from them, would that hold up in a legal setting? I doubt it.

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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> I'm not sure sure that originality is that different between a human and a neural network. That is to say that what a human artist is doing has always involved a lot of mixing of existing creations. I disagree, but this is a debate worth having. This is why I disagree: humans don't copy just copyrighted material. I am in the middle of developing and writing a romance short story. Why? Because my writing has a glari…

Asked to give practical advice to starting writers, he said, “Read.” https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/30/books/early-cormac-mccart...

And my advice is to read and live!

One of the reasons Roald Dahl was such a great writer is his life experiences. Read his books Boy and Solo.

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Howdy, folks. Ryan here from the GitHub Copilot product team. I don’t know how the original poster’s machine was set-up, but I’m gonna throw out a few theories about what could be happening. If similar code is open in your VS Code project, Copilot can draw context from those adjacent files. This can make it appear that the public model was trained on your private code, when in fact the context is drawn from local fil…

Can you clarify what you mean when you describe Github as an LLM maintainer? What LLM does github maintain?

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Copyright only covers the expressive parts and not the utilitarian parts.

Here is some reading material for those of you who disagree with reality:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstraction-Filtration-Compari...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idea–expression_distinction

https://h2o.law.harvard.edu/cases/5004

https://www.loeb.com/en/insights/publications/2020/04/johann...

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Your post is a good example of the tu quoque fallacy[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

Well, it would be fallacious reasoning if I was using this as the basis of an argument. I didn’t intend to argue anything or draw any conclusions. Just making an observation based on conversations with friends and coworkers.

This is a good example of sealioning.

(I kid)

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