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Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Post by ianbutler »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #130
webstrand wrote: post #122

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He owns the copyright to the code, and the code is not in the public domain, therefore it is proprietary code.

That's not how anybody uses the word proprietary when dealing with software licensing. It's a term of art that stands in contrast to open source licenses.

For the record, I don't typically think in terms of the open source community.

I grant that if most people are using it one way here I was likely wrong for the way it is typically used by the normal open source community, I followed up with a reply saying it would likely be more correct for me to have said "improperly licensed" to be included in the training set.

Still it being private means it probably shouldn't be in the training set anyway regardless of license, because in the future, truly proprietary code could be included, or code without any license which reserves all right to the creator.

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Post by vghfgk1000 »

lbotos wrote: post #74
insanitybit wrote: post #50

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> Joe Rando plays a song from 1640 on a violin he gets a copyright claim on Youtube That can't possibly be a valid claim, right? AFAIK copyright is "gone" after the original author dies + ~70 years. Before fairly recently it was even shorter. Something from 1640 surely can't be claimed under copyright protection. There are much more recent changes where that might not be the case, but 1640? > When Jane Rando uses dev…

> That can't possibly be a valid claim, right? I'm not a lawyer, but my understanding is that while the "1640's violin composition" itself may be out of copyright, if I record myself playing it, my recording of that piece is my copyright . So if you took my file (somehow) and used it without my permission, and I could prove it, I could claim copyright infringement. That's my understanding, and I've personally operate…

…yes, as I understand it there are ‘mechanical’ rights vs. publishing rights… (for example hip hop artists may recreate a sample to avoid paying mechanical royalties, but still end up paying for publishing) https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/mechanical-rights

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Post by heavyset_go »

deepspace wrote: post #140

This shows how copyright is all screwed up. Let's say the code in question is based on a published algorithm, maybe Yuster and Zwick, (I did not check). What exactly gives Davis a better claim to the copyright than the inventors of the algorithm? Yes, I know software is copyrightable while algorithms are not, but it is not at all clear to my why that should be the case. The effort of translating an algorithm into cod…

You can patent an algorithm if you want to protect it.

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Post by shadowgovt »

ianbutler wrote: post #133
shadowgovt wrote: post #111

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Searching for the function names in his libraries, I'm seeing some 32,000 hits. I suspect he has a different problem which (thanks to Microsoft) is now a problem he has to care about: his code probably shows up in one or more repos copy-pasted with improper LGPL attribution. There'd be no way for Copilot to know that had happened, and it would have mixed in the code. (As a side note: understanding why an ML engine ou…

Yeah that's a mess, but that's way too much legal baggage for me, an otherwise innocent end user, to want to take on. Especially when I personally tend to try and monetize a lot of my work. I understand there's no way for the model to know, but it's really on Microsoft then to ensure no private, or poorly licensed or proprietary code is included in the training set. That sounds like a very tall order, but I think the…

Agreed. Silver lining: MS is now heavily incentivized to invest in solutions for an open research problem.

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Post by faeriechangling »

tablespoon wrote: post #124
faeriechangling wrote: post #39

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You can slow this, you can't stop it whatsoever. It's about as ultimately futile as an effort as trying to stop piracy. People are ALREADY running salesforce codegen and stable diffusion at home, you can't put the genie back in the bottle, what we'll have 20 years from now is going to make critics of these tools have nightmares. If you try to outlaw it, the day before the laws come into effect, I'm going to download…

> You can slow this, you can't stop it whatsoever. It's about as ultimately futile as an effort as trying to stop piracy. ... But STOPPING the use of these tools? Go ahead and try, won't happen. So? No one needs to stop it totally . The world isn't black and white, pushing it to the fringes is almost certainly a sufficient success. Outlawing murder hasn't stopped murder, but no one's given up on enforcing those laws…

Cyberpunk sure, but fantasy? Not at all.

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Post by c7b »

codefreakxff wrote: post #112
c7b wrote: post #99

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> When Joe Rando plays a song from 1640 on a violin he gets a copyright claim on Youtube. When Jane Rando uses devtools to check a website source code she gets sued. Do you have any evidence for those claims, or anything resembling those examples? Music copyright has long expired for classical music, and big shots are definitely not exempt from where it applies. Just look at how much heat Ed Sheeran, one of the bigge…

There have been a number of stories about musicians being copyright claims. Here is the first result on Google https://www.radioclash.com/archives/2021/05/02/youtuber-gets... For being sued for looking at source here is the first result on Google https://www.wired.com/story/missouri-threatens-sue-reporter-...

Ok - it is a true shame that the YouTube copyright claim system is so broken as to enable those shady practices, and that politicians still haven't upped their knowledge of the internet beyond a 'series of tubes'.

But surely the answer should be to fix the broken YT system and to educate politicians to abstain from baseless threats, not to make AI researchers pay for it?

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Post by insanitybit »

Rimintil wrote: post #81
insanitybit wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Joe Rando plays a song from 1640 on a violin he gets a copyright claim on Youtube That can't possibly be a valid claim, right? AFAIK copyright is "gone" after the original author dies + ~70 years. Before fairly recently it was even shorter. Something from 1640 surely can't be claimed under copyright protection. There are much more recent changes where that might not be the case, but 1640? > When Jane Rando uses dev…

> That can't possibly be a valid claim, right? It has indeed happened. https://boingboing.net/2018/09/05/mozart-bach-sorta-mach.htm... Sony later withdrew their copyright claim. There are two pieces to copyright when it comes to public domain: * The work (song) itself -- can't copyright that * The recording -- you are the copyright owner. No one, without your permission, can re-post your recording And of course, ther…

> Sony later withdrew their copyright claim.

Right, that's my point... I can sue anyone for anything, doesn't mean I'll win.

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