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Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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- Sir, you have to install this application, it's available on both iOS and the Google Play Store. - Do you have a Debian package? - I beg your pardon? - My Pinephone runs a modified version of Debian, the Universal Operating System. - ... What is that? - Oh fine. I'll settle for a Flatpack then. - I'm not sure I follow. -Does Qatar's Law require me to have an Android phone xor an iPhone? - No ... ? - Well your Law s…

No plan to travel to Qatar, but I don't own a mobile phone anyway.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Not at the venue, no. The relevant tokens are saved locally and the barcodes are rendered on-device once you’ve accessed the ticket, which you can do hours/days in advance. Some of TicketMaster’s API docs for this are publicly available so you can get an idea of how it works - https://developer.ticketmaster.com/products-and-docs/apis/pa...

How exactly does that not work with browsers and local storage though? It seems like they're just caching stuff in the app and they definitely can do the same in browser storage.

> How exactly does that not work with browsers and local storage though?

On iOS, at least, local storage for web apps doesn't have guaranteed persistence. Safari can and will "randomly" clean up, usually if the device is low on storage. This happens less frequently for pinned PWAs but still happens.

If you need to absolutely guarantee that your thing will work on an offline mobile device, you have to use a native app.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Yes. I think it does excuse it. If the US does X and expects everyone to accept it. Then Country Y doing X is excused… how else could it be? Any other way leads to disadvantage of Country Y

Applying this logic to X="wiping out its native population and taking their land" and Y=China just gets me downvotes around here sadly

That's taking it way out of context of the original point.

There isn't a lot of evidence of China doing that (your X). I expect Xinjiang will jump to front of mind for people, that is largely a "Mass Incarceration of an ethnic group"... which while not at all what my original point was, there is definitely an element of hypocrisy from the US here... But unlike travel restrictions, I don't think my original point holds.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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That makes it a great airport hub, but it doesn't have the infrastructure to host, feed, transport, place in a stadium the hundreds of thousands of fans that want to watch a World Cup.

A lot of fans will actually be staying in Dubai and flying over. I read that there will be dozens of flights per day between the two locations.

That sounds great for the airlines but terrible for the environment.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Lethal injection is not a medical procedure. If it was a medical procedure it wouldn’t make the recipient’s condition deliberately worse than it was before the procedure. Just because a procedure involves injecting chemicals in someone’s body doesn’t mean it’s medical. And abortion is not a complex issue. The only arguments against it are religious and there are religions which require it, so in a purportedly secular…

By that definition abortion isn't a medical procedure either, because it makes one of "the recipient’s condition deliberately worse than it was before the procedure". And there are human rights arguments against abortion that have nothing to do with religion. Most people agree that the unborn acquire the right to live at some point, and the argument is mostly about when exactly. (Even Roe set that point well before b…

The recipient of an abortion is the pregnant person who does not want to be pregnant.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Even if the government went to the trouble of creating the Debian package, they wouldn't allow it to run on an OS that doesn't support a particularly restrictive "Secure Boot" setup, which would provide the mobile network with a remote attestation that you are running only "certified" packages and system services (including a minimal set of mandatory ones). Naturally, this certification process would ban apps which c…

Are you implying that Debian does not support Secure Boot? Because it does.

I did worry that my comment might incorrectly imply that, so I deliberately reworded it to say a particularly restrictive "Secure Boot" setup, but I guess that's still ambiguous.

You're right, Debian "supports" such a set of restrictions, in the sense that a manufacturer could build devices that would comply with these hypothetical laws while only using vanilla Debian packages, but my point was that such a device wouldn't really feel like Debian, since the moment you installed an unapproved application (or removed a mandatory application) half the functionality would stop working.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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By that definition abortion isn't a medical procedure either, because it makes one of "the recipient’s condition deliberately worse than it was before the procedure". And there are human rights arguments against abortion that have nothing to do with religion. Most people agree that the unborn acquire the right to live at some point, and the argument is mostly about when exactly. (Even Roe set that point well before b…

The recipient of an abortion is the pregnant person who does not want to be pregnant.

There are two people involved. One is sometimes ignored, or dehumanized, but still there.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Are you implying that Debian does not support Secure Boot? Because it does.

I did worry that my comment might incorrectly imply that, so I deliberately reworded it to say a particularly restrictive "Secure Boot" setup , but I guess that's still ambiguous. You're right, Debian "supports" such a set of restrictions, in the sense that a manufacturer could build devices that would comply with these hypothetical laws while only using vanilla Debian packages, but my point was that such a device wo…

No. Debian supports Secure Boot, and that means anybody can add their own signing key and sign and boot their own kernel, packages and everything else.

As long as users can update the signing keys it's all good.

If not, it's tivoization, and it breaches GPL.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Even if the government went to the trouble of creating the Debian package, they wouldn't allow it to run on an OS that doesn't support a particularly restrictive "Secure Boot" setup, which would provide the mobile network with a remote attestation that you are running only "certified" packages and system services (including a minimal set of mandatory ones). Naturally, this certification process would ban apps which c…

Are you implying that Debian does not support Secure Boot? Because it does.

In this context: Does Mobian on PinePhone support Secure Boot?

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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post #149

- Sir, you have to install this application, it's available on both iOS and the Google Play Store. - Do you have a Debian package? - I beg your pardon? - My Pinephone runs a modified version of Debian, the Universal Operating System. - ... What is that? - Oh fine. I'll settle for a Flatpack then. - I'm not sure I follow. -Does Qatar's Law require me to have an Android phone xor an iPhone? - No ... ? - Well your Law s…

Last summer I had to travel to South Korea for business, I was required to install a government app due to covid. Obviously this app was only for android and iOS. I had an iphone so i didnt have issues. But if i had a pinephone, i probably would had to board the next plane out of the country. Crazy how our lives are becoming so dependent on private company techs.

Same thing for Japan. For Android it's also only available on the Play Store which requires you to have a Google account.
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