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Former WSJ reporter says law firm used Indian hackers to sabotage his career

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Re: Former WSJ reporter says law firm used Indian hackers to sabotage his career

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Post by malikNF »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #56
sandGorgon wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US and India have very enforceable bilateral cybercrime treaties. And it is very well enforced on both sides. The article makes it seem that India as a whole is operating in some North Korea-ish way. A US citizen can well complain to CERT-IN ( https://www.cert-in.org.in/ ) for any reported cybercrime with proper documents and it will be treated as an enforceable crime. In fact, quite funny considering the US Chambers…

> US and India have very enforceable bilateral cybercrime treaties. And it is very well enforced on both sides Is this documented? If true, I suspect the image of Indian criminals being beyond the reach of the law stems from the spam call problem.

This[1] is one of the few results that comes up when you search for the keywords, fbi + justice + india + scam

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/owner-and-operator-india-base...

Re: Former WSJ reporter says law firm used Indian hackers to sabotage his career

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Post by jasonwatkinspdx »

permo-w wrote: post #32
swayvil wrote: post #20

This is an angle of the uneven distribution of wealth that you seldom hear about. As long as there are rich and poor people, a rich person can hire a poor person to do basically anything. Overriding legality, decency, safety. Because the poor person just needs the money that bad. So you get people renting out their backyard as a toxic waste dump. Or murdering people. Or breathing smog. Or selling children. Crazy horr…

this is a very salient way of explaining the need for wealth redistribution in society. this doesn't necessarily mean communism or socialism, but it should mean more Keynesian economics. high taxes on the rich - including rich corporations - and strong public spending in the right areas: education, small businesses, healthcare, and safety nets so people feel like they can take risks without having the fear of becomin…

Yeah, one of my big shifts politically as an adult was debunking more naive libertarian views I held when younger.

I think an honest reading of post ww2 history shows you need both a healthy private and public sector. There's arguments about exactly where to draw the line, but evidence is countries prosper with 1/4 to 1/2 of their economy being redistributed through the public sector. Where to draw the line within that window is more a matter of what society you want than a pure economic question.

A key detail is that you need functional institutions, and those take generations to build.

Re: Former WSJ reporter says law firm used Indian hackers to sabotage his career

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Post by kortilla »

lupire wrote: post #45
seibelj wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An underappreciated negative aspect of equality is total lack of enthusiasm and incentive. As inequality is a guarantee - no two people are alike in any aspect and neither are their abilities as an employee - mandating (either by gun or union contract) lockstep equality in payments and job security, the highest performers are demoralized and put in the bare minimum or quit (if they can). The result is the ever-increa…

You are overlooking the "extreme" part of "extreme inequality" Bezos and Musk would work just as hard if they only had 10% of the financial equity share in their companies that they have today.

> Bezos and Musk would work just as hard if they only had 10% of the financial equity share in their companies that they have today.

This is absolutely not a given. Not because the value changes, but because it implies they no longer own a controlling interest in the company and have to answer to a board. Musk explicitly does not want to take SpaceX public because shareholders are terrible bosses for long term visions (colonizing mars).

Re: Former WSJ reporter says law firm used Indian hackers to sabotage his career

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Post by Natsu »

lupire wrote: post #45
seibelj wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An underappreciated negative aspect of equality is total lack of enthusiasm and incentive. As inequality is a guarantee - no two people are alike in any aspect and neither are their abilities as an employee - mandating (either by gun or union contract) lockstep equality in payments and job security, the highest performers are demoralized and put in the bare minimum or quit (if they can). The result is the ever-increa…

You are overlooking the "extreme" part of "extreme inequality" Bezos and Musk would work just as hard if they only had 10% of the financial equity share in their companies that they have today.

Musk would have more difficulty funding all those companies that have made all those advances. And there are already very few Musks out there.

Re: Former WSJ reporter says law firm used Indian hackers to sabotage his career

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Post by kortilla »

ok_dad wrote: post #57
seibelj wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work 70 hours a week and there is 0% chance I would do that without having significant upside in my firm. I get more money and I deserve it, this is a free country and I don’t want anyone’s potential capped (and certainly not my own!).

Plenty of people already have their potential capped by the current system, with no recourse.

How so? I thought achievement was its own reward. Seems like that should be adequate for people who don’t care about being economically productive.

Re: Former WSJ reporter says law firm used Indian hackers to sabotage his career

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

malikNF wrote: post #61
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> US and India have very enforceable bilateral cybercrime treaties. And it is very well enforced on both sides Is this documented? If true, I suspect the image of Indian criminals being beyond the reach of the law stems from the spam call problem.

This[1] is one of the few results that comes up when you search for the keywords, fbi + justice + india + scam https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/owner-and-operator-india-base...

> one of the few results that comes up when you search for the keywords, fbi + justice + india + scam

Your link [1] mentions no sign of Indian law enforcement. Instead, “Singapore authorities apprehended Patel at the request of the United States…after Patel flew there from India…charges remain pending for other India-based defendants.”

[1] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/owner-and-operator-india-base...

Re: Former WSJ reporter says law firm used Indian hackers to sabotage his career

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Post by Aunche »

swayvil wrote: post #20

This is an angle of the uneven distribution of wealth that you seldom hear about. As long as there are rich and poor people, a rich person can hire a poor person to do basically anything. Overriding legality, decency, safety. Because the poor person just needs the money that bad. So you get people renting out their backyard as a toxic waste dump. Or murdering people. Or breathing smog. Or selling children. Crazy horr…

>So you get people renting out their backyard as a toxic waste dump. Or murdering people. Or breathing smog. Or selling children.

Yet, despite all of this, these people are living longer, healthier, more educated, and less violent lives. A more redistrutive society would have the exact same number of greedy assholes as we do today, and they wouldn't be any more altruistic. The difference in our society is that a greedy asshole who wants to outsource a jobs to a developing country will accidentally give the residents of this country the means to buy antibiotics.

Re: Former WSJ reporter says law firm used Indian hackers to sabotage his career

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Post by devmor »

pempem wrote: post #54
puchatek wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe you missed this sentence while reading the article? "Solomon’s suit is the latest in a series of legal actions that follows Reuters’ reporting about hired hackers operating out of India."

I did, thanks. Since I missed that sentence it seemed odd compared to hackers out of Romania or anywhere else.

It's because it's a relatively new occurrence. Likely due to the rising employment crisis around the IT industries in the country.

Baltic hackers have been around since the internet became mainstream really. The fall of the Soviet union lead to economic hardship in most of the areas well known for hacking - and those kids coming of age shortly after had the brand new age of information to take advantage of.

Re: Former WSJ reporter says law firm used Indian hackers to sabotage his career

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Post by ackbar03 »

There's actually quite a large Indian hacker community on platforms like hackerone, and when you look at their Twitter profiles, it seems like quite a lot of them are from these remote village type places, which I think is fascinating. This is the first time I've read about mercenary hacker for hire groups from India but I guess it's not surprising.

Re: Former WSJ reporter says law firm used Indian hackers to sabotage his career

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Post by b112 »

4oo4 wrote: post #19
WFHRenaissance wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Foreign hacking groups are often beyond the reach of Western law enforcement. If a domestic threat had been to blame here, there would be legal/financial recourse for damage done. That's not the case here. Implicit in this article is the report of a new kind of warfare for which many Americans have no good defense against. 2. Standard editorial racism a la "The Oriental Threat".

Is that also why this is a civil suit and not criminal charges under the CFAA?

Civil court has a lower bar for guilt, is one difference.
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