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Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by potamic »

worstestes wrote: post #80
lisper wrote: post #64

This is the reason that when I travel I carry two phones. One is the phone I actually use, and the other is the one I give to authorities when they ask for my phone. It is astonishing to me that not once have I ever been asked if I have a second phone. (It will be an interesting experiment to see if that happens now that I have posted this here.)

Where do authorities ask for your phone? Just curious

It's a huge problem in India at the moment. Police in several cities have caught on to this idea of searching for incriminating content and harassing people into paying bribe.

https://www.newslaundry.com/2022/03/29/are-bengaluru-cops-fo...

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by ASalazarMX »

AnonCoward42 wrote: post #78

Permissions from Aurora Store (3rd party to Play Store): Hayya: - control vibration - have full network access - prevent phone from sleeping - run at startup - run foreground service - view Wi-Fi connections - view network connections - access sensor data at a high sampling rate - access approximate location only in the foreground - access precise location only the foreground - listen to C2DM messages Etheraz: - acce…

Permissions analysis of Etheraz from Exodus, for comparison: https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/reports/com.moi.cov...

1 TRACKER

- AltBeacon

19 PERMISSIONS

- ACCESS_BACKGROUND_LOCATION

- ACCESS_COARSE_LOCATION

- ACCESS_FINE_LOCATION

- ACCESS_NETWORK_STATE

- ACCESS_WIFI_STATE

- BLUETOOTH

- BLUETOOTH_ADMIN

- CALL_PHONE

- DISABLE_KEYGUARD

- FOREGROUND_SERVICE

- INTERNET

- QUICKBOOT_POWERON

- RECEIVE_BOOT_COMPLETED

- SYSTEM_ALERT_WINDOW

- VIBRATE

- WAKE_LOCK

- BIND_GET_INSTALL_REFERRER_SERVICE

- GET_COMMON_DATA

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by josephcsible »

kergonath wrote: post #298
josephcsible wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need to jailbreak a phone to set up MDM on it.

You do if you don’t want to need the cooperation of the people in question.

Qatar doesn't mind needing the cooperation of the people in question, since they can put you in jail or deport you if you don't cooperate.

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Post by techdragon »

AnnikaL wrote: post #54
throwaway10291 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of the players must be homosexual? Should they not enter Qatar, and scrafice playing for their country in the World Cup? Should Fifa hold the world cup in a country when some of their players could be prosecuted because of their sexuality?

Qatar also practices modern-day slavery. https://dohanews.co/report-qatar-fifth-highest-proportion-sl... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Qatar#Slavery

I know it was more to talk about the slavery and human rights half but it’s sort of fascinating to see flogging in the penalty list. Makes me wonder if that would be a more effective punitive deterrent against recidivism. While I know some people get off from it and it wouldn’t deter everyone, I have to wonder how much more viscerally unwilling to risk the punishment the average criminal would be if instead of 6 months or a year or two, you got 10 to 100 with the lash. Is it more humane to have the violence over quickly and let the rehabilitation begin nearly immediately? Or better they rot away in jail mentally and emotionally for months to years making more associations with other criminals the longer they are in jail?

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Post by geoduck14 »

brabel wrote: post #141
onion2k wrote: post #113

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What are the dangers if you respect the laws of that country? In order to do that you'd need to know the laws of the country because ignorance of the law is not a defence. I imagine very few football fans are reading up on Quatar's legal system. So, really, trying to stay within the law is probably very hard, especially if you go there with a set of Western values. As a simple example, Qatar has law about "public mor…

> As a simple example, Qatar has law about "public morals" where showing too much skin is considered indecent Maybe that's just a bad example, but without knowing exactly how much skin is tolerated, that's just a normal law pretty much everywhere. Does your country allow public nudity on stadiums and on public streets? If not, you've got the same law in your country... without knowing the "threashold" it's hard to sa…

>Maybe that's just a bad example, but without knowing exactly how much skin is tolerated, that's just a normal law pretty much everywhere.

I'll counter that. I think it is a really good example. Everyone has public decency laws - but we probably don't think about looking them up. It is entirely possible many of us are currently breaking the law on that front without knowing it.

By handing the government a list of everything we have worn over the past X years, we are giving them the ability to prosecute us on all past violations.

This is what makes the app dangerous- we are handing them a list of many past activities that they can use to decide if they will prosecute us on.

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Post by b112 »

kybernetikos wrote: post #209
b112 wrote: post #193

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Well of course it is optional, endless people don't use social media for anything at all, and have never, and will never, have logins or handles. Huge, massive amounts of people are like this. Huge. Twitter, Facebook, others have massively inflated usage numbers. I suspect people with social media logins are the minority in the US, for example. Doubt me? Do you think most people's 68 year old parents, or grandparents…

> Either way, how can you make it a requirement to provide, what is not a requirement to have? You simply make it a requirement to provide it if you have it. That is not the same as optional. If its optional then you aren't lying to immigration if you leave it blank. If it is not optional then you are.

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Post by dalmo3 »

polotics wrote: post #234
smcl wrote: post #216

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EA could very well setup "The EA Football World Cup" and invite the world's football associations to participate in it, with substantial prize money as a reward. But even if the countries could participate (they couldn't, unless they sent their Under 21s or other development/reserve players, see my other comment) and even if they did participate (many wouldn't) the tournament would be seen as an inferior knock-off an…

How do you know this? A size 140 Arsenal jersey wearer I know would beg to differ, the Quatar catastrophe being clear for any age to understand. How do you think it would be inferior? The rules of football would be respected, and also it would match EA's official console football game!

You just need to look back at Arsenal's (and others') last year's proposal for an European Super League and the massive backlash resulting, which made them not only drop it (for now) but also, hilariously, also agree to pay fines to UEFA for conspiracy to treason or something.

EA dumping FIFA is a good thing to kickstart the mere idea of competition against FIFA's monopoly (and by extension continental bodies), but any actionable outcome is still decades away.

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Post by ascar »

culturestate wrote: post #295
krolden wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But dont these apps require network access to function?

Not at the venue, no. The relevant tokens are saved locally and the barcodes are rendered on-device once you’ve accessed the ticket, which you can do hours/days in advance. Some of TicketMaster’s API docs for this are publicly available so you can get an idea of how it works - https://developer.ticketmaster.com/products-and-docs/apis/pa...

How exactly does that not work with browsers and local storage though? It seems like they're just caching stuff in the app and they definitely can do the same in browser storage.

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Post by grepfru_it »

elif wrote: post #247

Luckily my country is already so creepy this qatar thing is a fully non-issue for me. In fact, i wouldn't even have to know about the app before travelling to deal with this. ANY time I go through US airport security, I don't take my phone. I take a burner phone that doesn't have any of my accounts logged in or personal data on it. From my understanding, they can and will dd your whole phone image to some national se…

>From my understanding, they can and will dd your whole phone image to some national security database while holding you for 'enhanced screening.'

this is not true, maybe at customs but not when traveling domestically. i had a dog sit down while walking through security and TSA had to swab everything i was traveling with. my phone was swabbed but nothing was ever connected to it.

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