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The Cancellation of ‘Jihad Rehab’

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Re: The Cancellation of ‘Jihad Rehab’

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Post by 8f2ab37a-ed6c »

edanm wrote: post #121
Hoasi wrote: post #112

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> The whole playing records backwards trolling for audio that might sound like satanic verses, whatever that means On the other hand, these claims turned out to be excellent marketing for those records.

I don't remember where, but I heard a podcast with someone who did music promotion for some of these artists. They would call the newspapers and feed them stories about the terrible musicians who do things like "eat bats live on stage", to get outraged parents to boycott these concerts. This was a very successful promotional effort for them.

Trust Me, I'm Lying by Ryan Holiday talks a bunch about how much of outrage about movies and music has actually been intentionally manufactured by guerilla marketers in order to promote the product to edgy teens wanting to purchase a controversial product that their stuffy conservative parents hate.

I wouldn't be completely shocked if some of the initial outrage about Jihad Rehab was triggered by a shrewd marketer, similarly how marketers would tip off the Tucker Max movie screenings to feminist organizations around campuses in the hopes that they would call for a cancellation.

Doubt we'll ever see the evidence for that though.

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Post by tims33 »

happyopossum wrote: post #60
jdminhbg wrote: post #56

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I don’t think NR has ever positioned itself as objective, it’s an explicitly conservative magazine and always has been.

Yeah - GP appears to just want to dunk on the NR I stead of comment about the story.

Or both. It’s disappointing the movie was shunned the way it was. And it is disappointing NR writes such breathless headlines.

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Post by anonair »

candiodari wrote: post #163
2Gkashmiri wrote: post #145

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>Nowadays, lineage isn’t something that matters much. they call it "caste" in indian subcontinent and unlike what the indian hindu ideology is around their caste system, everyone assumes that islamic lineage taking is same as hindu caste division which is not it.

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And your source for Islam is Ayatollah? He is not even a sunni. The point is he directly/indirectly benefits from misrepresenting the Prophet

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Post by anonair »

aaplok wrote: post #95
anonair wrote: post #92

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One doesn't need seeing the film to notice the racism in the title. The title could be "terrorist rehab", but it now looks like jihad is bad per se, while jihad for Muslims can mean anything from "struggle against self ego" to "defend country from invasion". All Muslim scholars denounce terrorism and yet she chose "jihad" in the title.

The article mentions that "jihad rehab" is the name of the Saudi program the subjects of the documentary are enrolled in. She didn't chose "jihad", she chose "jihad rehab". "Terrorist rehab" would be quite an ill-suited name. There is no indication that the men in the documentary ever were terrorists, aside from one of them. You could have suggested "Guantanamo rehab". That would have better qualified the men in the…

No, article mentions _her_ statement about the name. If you have a more reputable source for that, I will retract

Re: The Cancellation of ‘Jihad Rehab’

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Post by anonair »

molotovh wrote: post #173
anonair wrote: post #92

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One doesn't need seeing the film to notice the racism in the title. The title could be "terrorist rehab", but it now looks like jihad is bad per se, while jihad for Muslims can mean anything from "struggle against self ego" to "defend country from invasion". All Muslim scholars denounce terrorism and yet she chose "jihad" in the title.

If your issue is that you find the title racist, then your issue is with the Saudi Arabian government, not Ms. Smaker. The filmmaker accurately named her documentary after the subject of the film, which was a Saudi government program. If you read the article instead of immediately having a knee-jerk reaction to perceived "wrongspeak", you could easily have ascertained that information.

I read the article, and only saw her account of the name. If you have more reputable source for that I will retract

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Post by rosnd »

nailer wrote: post #176
rosnd wrote: post #171

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Or perhaps you have very little knowledge of politics? From a European perspective, Trump crowd is certainly far right. Shit, even most democrats would be right wing here.

In Europe. Trumps not advocating for an ethno state, political violence or anything else we’d typically associate with the far right.

Trump is not advocating for political violence? Huh. Well, I guess that's debatable.

I'd argue that his election related claims are exactly that, if the elections are fraudulent what alternatives are there to solve that but violence? What other alternative could there be if the other party has truly pulled off such a coup?

Trump also pushes extreme religious views, such as abortion bans (In fact, he claims the abortion ban to have been decided by God himself).

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Post by AmericanChopper »

adaml_623 wrote: post #134
AmericanChopper wrote: post #107

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It’s very clear what I’m saying. The PMRC (which was the most influential music censorship lobby in the 80s and 90s) was a bipartisan organisation. To claim the music censorship initiatives of that period were right wing is simply to project one’s own biases onto history, and is trivially falsifiable.

Were the protests outside concerts also bi-partisan in nature or were they organised by Christian groups? I think the protests are different to the PMRC actions. Edit: actually ignore me. I don't think we have matching definitions of left and right wing. And I definitely don't have knowledge of whether the US Democrats are left wing by any definition I'd use

> Were the protests outside concerts also bi-partisan in nature or were they organised by Christian groups?

In the 80s and 90s, about 90% of US adults identified as Christian. So your question here doesn’t really make sense.

> I don't think we have matching definitions of left and right wing

I’m getting the impression that your idea of “right wing” is just all the things that you don’t like, such as Christianity. Irrespective of actual the histories of right and left wing politics…

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Post by nailer »

rosnd wrote: post #186
nailer wrote: post #176

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In Europe. Trumps not advocating for an ethno state, political violence or anything else we’d typically associate with the far right.

Trump is not advocating for political violence? Huh. Well, I guess that's debatable. I'd argue that his election related claims are exactly that, if the elections are fraudulent what alternatives are there to solve that but violence? What other alternative could there be if the other party has truly pulled off such a coup? Trump also pushes extreme religious views, such as abortion bans (In fact, he claims the aborti…

By that novel standard anyone else with an equally ridiculous conspiracy is calling for violence. Think Trump got in by secretly collating with Putin? Call to violence. Neither situation is how the far right, eg the BNP or German neo nazi groups would operate.

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Post by slim »

iniekaas wrote: post #118
sudhirc wrote: post #116

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Well, the Arabic version of that same Wikipedia article provides the Hadeeth transmitter’s analysis of the Hadith regarding Al-‘Asmaa bint Marian, and the verdict that this hadeeth is fabricated (Mawdoo’). It simply isn’t true. Moreover, the language of the claimed poet - I’m an Arab - is far different from the language of the time, far from being poetic, and the statement claimed that Prophet Muhammad said has a ver…

It is just that we, Arabs, are a radically different culture that values stability and tradition.

your perspective is interesting, but you should not speak for all arabs. at most you can speak for conservative arabs

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Post by heavyset_go »

8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote: post #75
MarkMarine wrote: post #73

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This is incorrect in its facts and framing. I’m not going to get into a long political discussion, this doesn’t seem the place for it, but I would implore you to look further into this before you start throwing words like fascism and nazi around when you’re talking about people who basically want to give everyone free healthcare.

Is national socialism antithetical to free universal healthcare?

Yes, the Nazi state existed for the Volk[1], the Nazis' economic policy was that of privatization[2] and Social Darwinism. Universal healthcare as implemented in Germany in the 1800's covered more groups than what the Nazis considered the Volk, depending on the implementation, free universal healthcare flies in the face of economic privatization, and Nazis' Social Darwinism said that the weak who can't take care of themselves should be culled.

[1] https://www.britannica.com/biography/Adolf-Hitler/Rise-to-po...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatization#Etymology

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