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Re: Ask HN: Is it still possible to live in a terminal?

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Post by Too »

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #162
29athrowaway wrote: post #143

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By the time you are half-way configuring that I am already done with my tasks. By the end of the first sprint you'll have carpal tunnel syndrome.

Why do you care so much what workflow some rando on the internet uses?

It's not only some rando on the internet. There's always that one co-worker with a wannabe-vim-hacker setup, that you have to help occasionally with some real work task and nothing in their setup ever works effectively (bonus points for only using DVORAK). After showing them how much easier things are with autocompletion in intellij, next week they proudly show their latest installed emacs-plugin, that only does half-assed keyword completion, without being aware of variables, imports and the program structure. Such a waste of time. Lately I've started to just refuse cooperating under such circumstances, unless they truly show they know their tools.

Mastering the commandline is of course still important, just please not for editing code.

Re: Ask HN: Is it still possible to live in a terminal?

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Post by dopidopHN »

jyrkesh wrote: post #104
dopidopHN wrote: post #84

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No idea if op refers to that. I don’t think so, but modern stack can be ineffective. My work mbp M1 was having a delay writing text in external monitor While all the rest, including vidéo, was display without delay. I had to tweak some driver settings ( of the base , not my graphic card )

Did you happen to write down what you tweaked? I use an MBP M1 with an external 4K, and I've had a sneaking suspicion that my keyboard inputs are somewhat delayed. Just hasn't ever felt quite right....

yeah It was silly, the displayLink drivers of the docking station had to get an update specifically for those models. In my case there was no mistake possible: there was a solid second between typing something and actually see the text on the screen. Unusable as is.

Re: Ask HN: Is it still possible to live in a terminal?

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Post by perlwle »

ar_lan wrote: post #222
mekster wrote: post #211

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Compared to JetBrains, no thanks. I can't even get Neovim to run stably without throwing random errors every now and then, especially after I update plugins.

I do love JetBrains products. But they were too memory-hungry for me. I stepped away from GoLand and into Neovim and it’s been by far the best experience the past year and a half. So far, there is not a single feature I miss or haven’t been able to duplicate. Regarding stability - pinning plug-in versions could be helpful. That’s what I’ve done and I’ve never had an issue with stability.

I have both PHPStorm and Pycharm running, each takes up 4+GB memory on a 8G M1. Slowly growing memory usage for WindowServer process makes matter worse.

For the last week, I have been playing with Neovim in spare time using a setup based on https://github.com/LunarVim/nvim-basic-ide It does pinning plug-in too.

It's working well for small projects so far.

Re: Ask HN: Is it still possible to live in a terminal?

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Post by 29athrowaway »

jimjimjim wrote: post #210
29athrowaway wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By the time you are half-way configuring that I am already done with my tasks. By the end of the first sprint you'll have carpal tunnel syndrome.

Why do you ask a question and then belittle any responses you get?

Why don't you read user names?

Re: Ask HN: Is it still possible to live in a terminal?

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Post by quesera »

> Mutt doesn't handle multiple email accounts natively for work/personal

My solution for this is to simply run mutt twice, with different .muttrc files and in separate tmux windows.

I prefer this, I don't want personal and work mail (or notifications) mixed together.

Re: Ask HN: Is it still possible to live in a terminal?

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Post by gtsop »

reissbaker wrote: post #103

The Vim/Neovim ecosystem has gotten unbelievably better over the last 5-10 years. "Living in the terminal" for core development work is IMO better than pretty much anything else out there; my Neovim setup has a modern plugin manager; an IDE-like experience with fast autocompletion as I type, goto definition, and automated refactor support; and a side-drawer file browser navigable with Vim motions. It feels like an ID…

coworker #1 was literally waiting 30seconsa for his webstorm to open a subdirectory (in a really big code tree)

coworker #2 was struggling with his vscode autodeleting some imports

strange times when you are the vim developer in the house and the one with the most solid IDE...

Re: Ask HN: Is it still possible to live in a terminal?

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Post by haxorito »

Depends on environment. At work we have official corp communication platform - Teams. Most UI build for browsers and require a lot of complex JavaScript for render.

But most of my work is still done in terminal. Most project I managed ended up with very nice CLI applications, makes things a lot easier in the end, like automations for example. Initially specially younger engineers struggled with decision to build cli instead of web portals. But later realized how effective and productive the decision was..

Re: Ask HN: Is it still possible to live in a terminal?

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Post by pb7 »

kkfx wrote: post #248
pb7 wrote: post #79

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The GP lists some ways that a terminal-only workflow limits you. >Modern UIs try to go back to the original document UI concept but TOTALLY fails for the interactive part, they are mere view where you can touch some knobs someone else placed there for you, nothing more, and try to bend them is a nightmare. I don't see this as a bad thing. I want someone responsible for the product to figure out the best way to use it…

Just a simple example: you probably buy on Amazon and find it's order history webpage simple and nice. Now let's say you want to collect such history in your desktop, link it to the corresponding bank transactions per any order (you have bought many things and they are charged separately on your bank), link to some bought items notes like when the warranty period end in your agenda. What do you need to achieve such r…

I don’t actually. Amazon is on the “fail” list.

It sounds like you want APIs for all of your services. That’s fair. But I don’t think the vast, vast majority of people have use cases as you describe so the ROI on providing something and maintaining it is too low.

In any case, in today’s world, you can programmatically scrape the page of the results and crawl further pages if necessary. It wouldn’t be 5-10K lines to output a list of names and prices.

Re: Ask HN: Is it still possible to live in a terminal?

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Post by kube-system »

kkfx wrote: post #247
kube-system wrote: post #64

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What can't you do in X Window that you can do in a terminal? I'd agree that some GUIs are bad, but the same could be said about some TUIs.

Not in, but with modern GUIs (so X11 xlibs wrapped by some widget lib) I can't compose nor integrate anything. For instance if I want to do some simple math in an email I'm composing I need to launch another application, type the same math I've typed in the message body, evaluate it, copypaste the results, copy-pasting is the sole IPC such tools have. On a terminal, I can run a terminal based editor who typically can…

This is a matter of pattern, not technology.

GUI apps can and sometimes do provide interfaces for programmatic use.

And some terminal applications fail to follow conventional Unix patterns.

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