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Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by sfvegandude »

incompatible wrote: post #25

Wouldn't an easy work-around be to get a cheap new Android phone? I assume you only have to install the apps on one device, if you take two; otherwise, just take the new one. I doubt that the expense would be an issue for somebody attending the World Cup. It seems like this would be good practice these days for any international travel.

> It seems like this would be good practice these days for any international travel.

This also seems like a great use case for privacy focused OSes for unlocked phones. I’ve been trying to get into CalyxOS or GrapheneOS for a while. Just waiting for either to come to the Pixel 7 Pro. I wouldn’t throw it afterwards, but probably wouldn’t connect it to any home networks without nuking it once or twice.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by lisper »

kybernetikos wrote: post #157
lisper wrote: post #64

This is the reason that when I travel I carry two phones. One is the phone I actually use, and the other is the one I give to authorities when they ask for my phone. It is astonishing to me that not once have I ever been asked if I have a second phone. (It will be an interesting experiment to see if that happens now that I have posted this here.)

This probably gives you much better privacy than someone with just one phone, but I have read of people doing analysis where they identify phones that move together. As always, it's a question of threat model, but if your opponent is a state, they definitely do this kind of thing.

Sure. This is mainly protection against being asked for my phone at airport security or immigration. If a state actor really wants to fuck with me there is probably very little I can do about it.

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Post by powerapple »

jl6 wrote: post #105
curiousgal wrote: post #51

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A more likely scenario which mirrors how discriminatory laws work elsewhere: 1. Get arrested for a minor offence like speeding. 2. Law enforcement checks your app and infers you are gay (maybe wedding photos of you and your spouse?) 3. It was going to be just a fine, but now you are facing prosecution for the much more serious offence of being gay. 4. Law enforcement officer can make the charges disappear for the rig…

You would be surprise to know the reality, and people are happily living in Qatar, gay or not gay. I wouldn't worry about it.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by lisper »

mongol wrote: post #77
lisper wrote: post #64

This is the reason that when I travel I carry two phones. One is the phone I actually use, and the other is the one I give to authorities when they ask for my phone. It is astonishing to me that not once have I ever been asked if I have a second phone. (It will be an interesting experiment to see if that happens now that I have posted this here.)

What do you use the "authorities phone" for? Is it set up with a mock account? What kind of emails are associated with it?

Yes, it has its own email account, which at this point is basically a spam honeypot. I don't think anyone has ever actually tried to unlock the phone. Every time I've been asked for it, it looked to me like they were checking it for explosive residue. But this way I don't have to worry about it, I just hand it over and smile.

It also has some apps installed, mainly games. I sometimes use it for casual internet browsing, especially if I want to visit a website with a bunch of Javascript of questionable provenance. But all my real stuff is on the other phone.

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Post by lisper »

worstestes wrote: post #80
lisper wrote: post #64

This is the reason that when I travel I carry two phones. One is the phone I actually use, and the other is the one I give to authorities when they ask for my phone. It is astonishing to me that not once have I ever been asked if I have a second phone. (It will be an interesting experiment to see if that happens now that I have posted this here.)

Where do authorities ask for your phone? Just curious

Airport security mainly. Also immigration, though that has never actually happened to me (yet). It's more of an insurance policy than a defense against an actual threat that I experience. But people do have their phones seized. This way I don't have to worry about it as much.

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Post by powerapple »

decaffjoe wrote: post #115
ghostDancer wrote: post #39

All the news about slavery and bad treatment of workers to build the infrastructures and silencing or minimizing by western press and now this. No surprise when you organize a thing like the Football World Cup in a dictatorship like Qatar in exchange for money this is you can expect. Just let's hope it does not get used as a backdoor by other with even worse intentions.

Just to emphasize your point, we're talking about a death toll of 6k+ people to build these stadiums. What a stain on fifa, football and worldwide respect for human rights to say the least. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/feb/23/r...

only if your country can offer these people jobs so they don't have to die this way. Let poor people migrate to developed country, why people are turned away in immigration because they come for economic reasons?

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Post by polotics »

smcl wrote: post #268
polotics wrote: post #234

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How do you know this? A size 140 Arsenal jersey wearer I know would beg to differ, the Quatar catastrophe being clear for any age to understand. How do you think it would be inferior? The rules of football would be respected, and also it would match EA's official console football game!

If your Arsenal-supporting friend sincerely believes that a rival World Cup would go anywhere at all, then they're a little bit naive and don't really understand the game. Qatar could end up being (more of) a catastrophe, and heads may roll at FIFA but the FIFA World Cup isn't getting replaced any time soon.

They... is a kid. so point taken, still one can dream, right?

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Post by smcl »

sofixa wrote: post #299
smcl wrote: post #288

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OK that's both wrong (FIFA isn’t involved in regulating the confederations or the members or the clubs) and not what you originally said. I think you just made a mistake in understanding what FIFA does. Same with this: > Do all the manufacturers of sports clothing, shoes, balls, goal posts, etc. have deals with FIFA? Yes FIFA will have a relationship with sponsors of FIFA events (the dozens of brands you see during t…

I think you're mistaking me for the original person you responded to. However, this is flat our wrong: > FIFA isn’t involved in regulating the confederations or the members or the clubs Of course it is. It makes the rules that are implemented by the federations (stuff like 5 subs, the new loan regulations), and it also is the one providing the main funding for the majority of smaller football association (so even if…

> stuff like 5 subs

No this is flat out wrong, since the laws of the game are governed by IFAB, of which FIFA is a member alongside the Football Associations of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. And even then it seems they're flexible in some regards - for example the Scottish FA permitted five subtitutes before IFAB updated the laws and the English FA had a similar trial in the past permitting four subs - both have fiddled with extra stuff like VAR.

I'll grant that FIFA have brought in restrictions on international loan signings - though that's hardly controlling the game the way the original comment implied

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by smcl »

polotics wrote: post #308
smcl wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your Arsenal-supporting friend sincerely believes that a rival World Cup would go anywhere at all, then they're a little bit naive and don't really understand the game. Qatar could end up being (more of) a catastrophe, and heads may roll at FIFA but the FIFA World Cup isn't getting replaced any time soon.

They... is a kid. so point taken, still one can dream, right?

Ah sorry I did not get the "size 140" reference, it's in a sizing format I'm not familiar with!

As a former-kid who had his own dreams (Scotland winning the World Cup) which have had to be progressively scaled back as I grew up (Scotland qualifying for the World Cup) I sympathise, and I hope your Arsenal pal gets to see the tournament they dream of :)

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