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UK Engineers raise concerns over proposed switch to imperial measurements

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Re: UK Engineers raise concerns over proposed switch to imperial measurements

#41

This is an example of the dead cat strategy, named by an Australian political strategist “throwing a dead cat in the table”. It’s a distraction so shocking that it can’t fail to divert media attention. It’s a favorite technique of Boris Johnson who is even mentioned in the Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_cat_strategy The imperial measurement thing is a dead cat Boris threw on the table during his…

100% this, all smoke and mirrors. But you can’t argue with it’s effectiveness.

Once you know it’s an explicit strategy, you can watch for it and call it out when you see they’ve chucked a dead cat.

Re: UK Engineers raise concerns over proposed switch to imperial measurements

#42

Observation as a Canadian: Until the US decides to finally convert (e.g. never), the rest of the anglo-sphere will be forever stuck in an awkward inbetween zone anyways. We supposedly converted to metric in the 70s but it's only ever been half-hearted, as many trades (especially construction) continue to work in imperial measurements, and most people work in an awkward combination of the two. As Canadians we typicall…

Also grocery stores sometimes sell fruits, vegetables, etc in lbs, sometimes in kg so it's much harder to compare prices between the different chains. I wish it was mandated to use the metric price first and (optionally) put the imperial price in small print.

Re: UK Engineers raise concerns over proposed switch to imperial measurements

#43
OT: Can I ask a question about something that has long puzzled me about Brexit?

Note: I'm not asking about whether or not Brexit was a good idea. No matter where you stand on that, let's assume for the sake of argument that there were terrific arguments for both staying in the EU and leaving.

My puzzlement concerns the specific question asked on the 2016 referendum, which was

> Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

with the options being remain or leave.

If you wanted the UK to stay in the EU, then clearly "remain" was the right choice for you.

Remaining didn't require the UK to do anything, so if you voted "remain" you were voting for something with a highly predictable outcome.

Leaving, on the other hand, requires a lot of action over the next several years. There were many quite different ways a post-EU UK could turn out, and much disagreement among the people who wanted to leave as to which of those ways they wanted. There could be changes of government over the years it takes to implement so even if you were confident that the people now in power would work toward an implementation of the kind of Brexit you wanted, they might not be the ones in power when it comes to actually finishing the thing.

If you wanted to leave then it seems to me that the best choice would still be to vote "remain" because this particular referendum was terrible. Instead, work to elect politicians who would offer a better referendum. Something like this:

> Should the United Kingdom develop a concrete proposal to leave the EU and then hold a referendum on that, and if that referendum passes negotiate a final deal to leave the EU, and then hold a final referendum on whether to implement that final deal?

Re: UK Engineers raise concerns over proposed switch to imperial measurements

#44
As reported in [0], the UK Government survey asked consumers: “If you had a choice, would you want to purchase items: i) in imperial units ii) in imperial units alongside a metric equivalent.”

There was no option iii) for using metric only (except a freeform entry field). Talk about biased.

I suppose we should be thankful that the recent self-inflicted destruction of the UK Govt's credibility has at least probably saved us from having to learn fortnights, furlongs and firkins again. Silver linings etc etc.

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/18/metric-syst...

Re: UK Engineers raise concerns over proposed switch to imperial measurements

#45

Observation as a Canadian: Until the US decides to finally convert (e.g. never), the rest of the anglo-sphere will be forever stuck in an awkward inbetween zone anyways. We supposedly converted to metric in the 70s but it's only ever been half-hearted, as many trades (especially construction) continue to work in imperial measurements, and most people work in an awkward combination of the two. As Canadians we typicall…

I’m American and feel like I live in the “in-between” too. I measure people in ft and lbs. I measure wood in ft and inches. I design 3D objects in cm and mm unless I’m building in wood, in which case I’m back to feet and inches. I measure speed in miles per hour. I use tools mostly in metric but sometimes in SAE (depending on where it’s made and what it is).

Re: UK Engineers raise concerns over proposed switch to imperial measurements

#46
post #43

OT: Can I ask a question about something that has long puzzled me about Brexit? Note: I'm not asking about whether or not Brexit was a good idea. No matter where you stand on that, let's assume for the sake of argument that there were terrific arguments for both staying in the EU and leaving. My puzzlement concerns the specific question asked on the 2016 referendum, which was > Should the United Kingdom remain a memb…

Unfortunately that would have required a nuanced political discussion, something that traditionally has been lacking in the UK Brexit wars.

Re: UK Engineers raise concerns over proposed switch to imperial measurements

#47

Why? Imperial is a terrible measurement system, inferior.

For the same reason they doubled down on trickle-down economics: only dim bulbs in Westminster.

Maybe Kwarteng and Rees-Mogg had a private wager to see who would be the first to be relieved of their post?

Re: UK Engineers raise concerns over proposed switch to imperial measurements

#48
UK is a confused place.

I still don't know whats the "official" temperature scale - F or C.

In the same paper, I would see the weather map with C, but the title with F (heatwave of xx F). Or the reverse, or both.

Or in the same shop you can buy milk in liters, or in pints.

Re: UK Engineers raise concerns over proposed switch to imperial measurements

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post #48

UK is a confused place. I still don't know whats the "official" temperature scale - F or C. In the same paper, I would see the weather map with C, but the title with F (heatwave of xx F). Or the reverse, or both. Or in the same shop you can buy milk in liters, or in pints.

I lived in London and Castletown (IoM) for years and only ever felt like C was used. I remember distinctly because of how often I had to force myself to make the the calculation for conversion between the two whenever any topic of temperature came up early in my time there.

Re: UK Engineers raise concerns over proposed switch to imperial measurements

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post #48

UK is a confused place. I still don't know whats the "official" temperature scale - F or C. In the same paper, I would see the weather map with C, but the title with F (heatwave of xx F). Or the reverse, or both. Or in the same shop you can buy milk in liters, or in pints.

Anyone that isn’t ancient uses Celsius.
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