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Chaos Computer Club saves the German healthcare system 400M Euros

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Re: Chaos Computer Club saves the German healthcare system 400M Euros

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When it comes to anything with computers it’s difficult to imagine ways to end up more incompetent than literally all German public (or pseudo-public, like here) agencies. You’d certainly get something more competent by collecting random strangers off the street. It’s virtually impossible to overstate how bad the situation in this area truly is in Germany.

The fact that the agency is public or private has no innate meaning in terms of efficiency. The people in the organization and the processes make it more or less efficient and this is true independently from where the funding is coming from.

Can public organizations be made more efficient? Of course, as any organization can.

Finally, in this case is it not a private firm that is promoting inefficiency via dishonest market practices?

The real issue here is that the public agency has to buy services and products from private firms. Why can't the German state produce cost efficient routers on its own?

Re: Chaos Computer Club saves the German healthcare system 400M Euros

#12
It’s unconscionably incompetent how a financially-stressed federal government appears to be unable to immediately seize an opportunity like this, along with doling out harsh repercussions for the executives who have decided (and still do) to cash in on this scheme.

This has become a repeating pattern to such a degree that claiming plain incompetence cannot plausibly explain it any more. Maybe it’s not outright malice but corruption and fraud indeed.

Re: Chaos Computer Club saves the German healthcare system 400M Euros

#13
tl;dr

To transfer patient data between doctors and (state) insurance companies, doctor‘s offices need to have a hardware VPN device. The system was implemented by the company „gematic“. A small number of companies produce these devices.

The certificates on these devices expire after five years. Now, instead of simply updating the certificates, the companies want the state and the doctors to buy new devices which costs around 400 million.

The CCC firstly explained that this is bullshit and a total waste of money and secondly showed that it is easy to update the devices. They could do it themselves but only need the private key from gematic.

Re: Chaos Computer Club saves the German healthcare system 400M Euros

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> Finally, the CCC appeals to the manufacturers of the connectors to look for honest ways of earning a living. This is fucking brilliant XD

In almost every country there is a number of well connected companies who make a living exclusively by specializing at navigating through the complicated layers of bureaucracy and swindling the taxpayer by selling overpriced and unnecessary proprietary products and services to a government who by cluelessness or corruption, has no idea or doesn't care about sensible technical solutions and just agrees with whatever those preferential suppliers offer.

It's hilarious when you look at the web pages of such companies and see that their only customers in the last decades are various government agencies and state enterprises which are their bread an butter as they would never be competitive on the free market. Working at such companies is even more toxic. Extremely outdated tech, poorly qualified staff, huge bureaucracy yet poor management and poor understanding of the work going on, and so many people doing nothing all day than keeping seats warm and answering a couple of emails per week.

This is especially true in Germany. I remember the story from a former colleague who worked at the German information security government office (BSI) which had a cipher calculator on their website and it turned out to have a flaw in the calculation, and since the guy who implemented it didn't work there anymore and nobody on the staff knew where the code was, so instead of fixing the calculator or removing it from the website, they instead put a warning on the webpage that this calculator is wrong and shouldn't be used and called it a day lol. Hilarious but also sad for the German taxpayer.

Re: Chaos Computer Club saves the German healthcare system 400M Euros

#16

For anyone who doesn't read German, here is a summary: The company in charge of the connectors for the health care system "Telematik" built devices with certificates that expire after 5 years. Instead of updating thousands of machines with new certificates, the company claims these need to be replaced for a total cost of 400M Euro. The CCC showed how the firmware can be changed to accept new certificates, making the…

I wonder how many golf trips with steak dinners and female "companions" the bureaucrats awarding the contracts got treated to...

The German government has been lauded as this great bastion, "Look, their economy is still running!", but it's also has its corrupt elements. Besides, the whole roaring economy thing is related to making the rest of Europe peg its currency to the German one by way of the Euro, making the rest of the continent suffer...

Re: Chaos Computer Club saves the German healthcare system 400M Euros

#17

For anyone who doesn't read German, here is a summary: The company in charge of the connectors for the health care system "Telematik" built devices with certificates that expire after 5 years. Instead of updating thousands of machines with new certificates, the company claims these need to be replaced for a total cost of 400M Euro. The CCC showed how the firmware can be changed to accept new certificates, making the…

I‘m assuming the German government wouldn’t be able to compel them to turn over their private key, but they could certainly make it very clear that they would jeopardise any future contracts if they refused to cooperate.

Re: Chaos Computer Club saves the German healthcare system 400M Euros

#19

For anyone who doesn't read German, here is a summary: The company in charge of the connectors for the health care system "Telematik" built devices with certificates that expire after 5 years. Instead of updating thousands of machines with new certificates, the company claims these need to be replaced for a total cost of 400M Euro. The CCC showed how the firmware can be changed to accept new certificates, making the…

I wonder how many golf trips with steak dinners and female "companions" the bureaucrats awarding the contracts got treated to... The German government has been lauded as this great bastion, "Look, their economy is still running!", but it's also has its corrupt elements. Besides, the whole roaring economy thing is related to making the rest of Europe peg its currency to the German one by way of the Euro, making the re…

We've already been fined by the EU for refusing to work against corruption. It's a big thing here and voters only care for a few months after the news reports, if that much.

Re: Chaos Computer Club saves the German healthcare system 400M Euros

#20
Correct headline would be "Chaos Computer Club shows the German healthcare system how 400M Euros might be saved". Given how incompetent politics has been in the past, I wouldn't be surprised if this is ignored with some bullshit reason and the money is wasted.
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