The Cancellation of ‘Jihad Rehab’ • Hacker News Board

Re: The Cancellation of ‘Jihad Rehab’

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Post by aaronbrethorst » Sat, Oct 15, 2022, 6:29 AM UTC

keepquestioning wrote: post #48

Is anyone aware of a Marxist view of 9/11 and the WOT?

In short, 'American imperialism is the root cause of 9/11.' Which happens to be the same explanation of everything since the end of 1991 according to the most dull and, sadly, seemingly most common strain of post-Soviet Marxist thought.

Re: The Cancellation of ‘Jihad Rehab’

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Post by europeanguy » Sat, Oct 15, 2022, 6:30 AM UTC

> The “authorship” or “inclusion” principle, as this is known, insists that filmmakers share the ethnic and cultural identity of their subjects. According to these standards, not only are outsiders incapable of understanding the experiences of others, they don’t even have the right to try; to do otherwise would be to take an opportunity away from a better-qualified person of color. As a white American, Smaker would be wildly inappropriate for a film about the Muslim world.

Re: The Cancellation of ‘Jihad Rehab’

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Post by MarkMarine » Sat, Oct 15, 2022, 6:32 AM UTC

8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote: post #75

MarkMarine wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is incorrect in its facts and framing. I’m not going to get into a long political discussion, this doesn’t seem the place for it, but I would implore you to look further into this before you start throwing words like fascism and nazi around when you’re talking about people who basically want to give everyone free healthcare.

Is national socialism antithetical to free universal healthcare?

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Re: The Cancellation of ‘Jihad Rehab’

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Post by albertop » Sat, Oct 15, 2022, 6:32 AM UTC

subpixel wrote: post #22

“More than 230 filmmakers signed a letter denouncing the documentary. A majority had not seen it.” Just a reminder that the far ends of the political spectrum loop back and connect.

Not surprising. They would have been cancelled if they did not. Nowadays if you not actively against it you are obviously guilty.

Re: The Cancellation of ‘Jihad Rehab’

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Post by xwolfi » Sat, Oct 15, 2022, 6:42 AM UTC

8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote: post #24

What's remarkable is that I can't imagine anything will happen to the activists behind the cancellation. They will lose no credibility. Have no drop in reputation. No public ridicule. They'll simply move on to the next target in the hopes that they will bend the knee with less resistance than Meg. Doing these cancellations is effectively risk-free, and only incurs the opportunity cost of not deploying time onto a hig…

What we can do is wait: as with all bad things, the more it happens the less it works: one day, being "cancelled" by morons will be as seeked by film markers as having a fatwah or a catholic church disapproval. It will mean you say something new, exciting and maybe even revealing.

Re: The Cancellation of ‘Jihad Rehab’

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Post by rdiddly » Sat, Oct 15, 2022, 6:52 AM UTC

Certain sectors of the US government wouldn't be above starting a distracting fracas like this (and it's so very easy with useful idiots doing most of the work once it gets going) in order to silence, or more like drown out, a film that calls out the injustice that was done or dares to portray the victims as human. We're sitting here talking about not that, so it's working.

Re: The Cancellation of ‘Jihad Rehab’

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Post by bigDinosaur » Sat, Oct 15, 2022, 6:52 AM UTC

MarkMarine wrote: post #73

carabiner wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Though with the dirtbag left now flirting with being "trad cath" and softening towards racial realism, it does seem like it's approach the intellectual fascism of the nazis.

This is incorrect in its facts and framing. I’m not going to get into a long political discussion, this doesn’t seem the place for it, but I would implore you to look further into this before you start throwing words like fascism and nazi around when you’re talking about people who basically want to give everyone free healthcare.

You can have authoritarian left and authoritarian right. That's not really related to healthcare. Authoritarians tend towards abuses of power - I kind of don't find it terribly relevant if millions were killed or imprisoned because of the differences in their ideals, which is what the horseshoe theory speaks to. What it speaks to is mainly that the methods - e.g. unconstrained power of an executive or government, become more similar than not as extremism increases. It's not really saying that the ideology necessarily comes to match, only that the ideology matters less than whatever horrible things are coming your way, beliefs be damned.

Re: The Cancellation of ‘Jihad Rehab’

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Post by seanhunter » Sat, Oct 15, 2022, 7:00 AM UTC

This framing of protest as "cancellation" in the context of supporting free speech is something I find perculiar. Surely protest is speech? If that is the case then if you support free speech you must logically support both the right to the original speech and the right of others to protest that speech.

When people say that people signed a letter denouncing the documentary without seeing it that's a little bit wide of the mark also. If free speech is a right that is to have any meaning whatsoever, it must certainly include the right to be wrong, not fully informed etc. If that's not the case, then speech can be shot down by saying the speaker doesn't have the right because they haven't done their research or the sources are inaccurate etc.

Re: The Cancellation of ‘Jihad Rehab’

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Post by titanomachy » Sat, Oct 15, 2022, 7:02 AM UTC

md2020 wrote: post #46

whymauri wrote: post #5

Similar article from the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/25/us/sundance-jihad-rehab-m... With a lot less whining about 'the woke mob'.

You need to realize that mobs are a real thing and in this case, they ruined a woman’s career for completely constructed, ridiculous reasons. This kind of behavior is disgusting. I don’t know why you describe this article as “whining”. This person had nearly a decade of her life’s work torn apart by people who only see the world through the lens of power and oppression, and whose only goals are to endlessly virtue si…

Her career may yet recover. She is young and talented, and the mob has a short attention span.

Re: The Cancellation of ‘Jihad Rehab’

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Post by bigDinosaur » Sat, Oct 15, 2022, 7:10 AM UTC

seanhunter wrote: post #88

This framing of protest as "cancellation" in the context of supporting free speech is something I find perculiar. Surely protest is speech? If that is the case then if you support free speech you must logically support both the right to the original speech and the right of others to protest that speech. When people say that people signed a letter denouncing the documentary without seeing it that's a little bit wide o…

If I use my influential speech to get you to cancel a project or to have it removed from every major streaming service, am I merely exercising in free speech or also using social pressure to prevent you from speaking? The point here isn't that people are uninformed (that's bad, but obviously allows allowed) - it's that one group is demanding that something does not air and is claiming sole moral and cultural authority to do this. While it's their right to claim this, the consequences for everyone else are that they lose the ability to actually make the choices of which film they want to see on streaming services because another group has removed that ability. Why shouldn't the film air, and if it's terrible and awful beyond belief in every way, then the creators will forever have their names sullied? The reasoning here isn't even whether the film is good, but who the creator is, and not even because they've done anything bad really but because the single person the critics have focused on happens to be white.

How is this not insane?