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Low Earth Orbit Visualization

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Re: Low Earth Orbit Visualization

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That'd explain the changes to Location Services on Android over the past several years.

Is it related to Android though? I read somewhere/thought that it is primarily the Google Maps cars recording WiFi data and not phones). Europe wouldn't be covered at all if it was coming from the phones, right? (GDPR) I mean, you can have a street full of iPhones - which I assume is a regular occurrence in USA, where people trust Apple - and still Google Maps on iPhone would guess well enough where you are. For exam…

> Europe wouldn't be covered at all if it was coming from the phones, right? (GDPR)

Which part of GDPR would prevent Google from collecting pairs of (Wi-Fi BSSID, approx lat/lon), with the consent that you gave when you set up your Android phone, and using it for their own purpose without giving it to any third party?

Re: Low Earth Orbit Visualization

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Scott Manley, unsurprisingly, did a nice video showing what it'd look like if you could see all the satellites and debris in space from the surface of Earth. It's scary how much stuff there is up there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJNGi-bt9NM

Not really. Even low Earth orbit is absolutely gigantic. It’s considerably larger than the surface of the Earth after all. Scott Manley has the same issue that this website: for things to be seen, you need to magnify them extremely. Each dot here represents things at most meters large. Most are centimetres large especially if you look at debris. Yet each dot is the size of a large urban area on Earth. Do the same thi…

Maybe better to show a probability density instead?

I.e. the likelihood of hitting an object using a LEO view that is facing parallel to the earth's surface below the viewer

The idea is that in every direction is a color map indicating probability of hitting an object if going straight in that direction to infinity, or till reaching earth's surface (for downward angles), assuming all the objects are frozen in time

Not sure how to represent earth's surface though without fudging the color map colors, so maybe scratch that or use outlines to represent continents instead of surface color

Its an idea maybe?

Re: Low Earth Orbit Visualization

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Not really. Even low Earth orbit is absolutely gigantic. It’s considerably larger than the surface of the Earth after all. Scott Manley has the same issue that this website: for things to be seen, you need to magnify them extremely. Each dot here represents things at most meters large. Most are centimetres large especially if you look at debris. Yet each dot is the size of a large urban area on Earth. Do the same thi…

Does this mean the concerns about a Kessler event are greatly exaggerated?

I'm not an expert but I would say I've spent a lot of time looking at this.

I'd say the risk is exaggerated in some ways and not in other ways. Kessler syndrome is a real effect but it's also not something that happens suddenly when some threshold is reached. It comes from statistics and generally assumes that no preventative action is taken when satellites are destined to collide with each other. It also assumes no attempts to clean up debris happens. Both of which are not the case in general. Many countries have rules that say that satellites cannot be left in orbit after end of mission (in the US for example that is currently 25 years, and there is effort right now to reduce that to 5 years). This kind of cuts the effects of kessler syndrome short.

Further, Kessler syndrome is different for different altitudes. People keep talking about it with respect to Starlink, but at the altitudes where the Starlink satellites orbit, because of atmospheric drag, debris don't last longer than a decade or so so. This means there isn't enough time for that statistical effect to build up and destroy most satellites, at least at current satellite densities.

There's also the argument that kessler syndrome has in fact already begun. As mentioned, it's a statistical effect that happens over time. Imagine the slowest burning smoldering campfire that takes decades or centuries to burn through it's fuel.

In short, I feel like current plans to reduce the allowed maximum debris lifetimes by some countries (as long as we can get all major space launch countries to agree) will largely make the kessler syndrome not really a risk.

Re: Low Earth Orbit Visualization

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Those long, straight-line convoys of Starlink satellites are fascinating. There's a few of them I could see scattered around the Earth. At what point do they start breaking up into unrelated orbits? Looking forward to using this website to try spotting satellites at night. There's something strangely thrilling about seeing objects in the night sky that were placed there by people.

For spotting satellites at night, try my site: https://james.darpinian.com/satellites/ Most of the satellites shown on the Leolabs site are too dim to see without a telescope because they don't reflect enough light. My site calculates brightness and filters down to the ones that you can see with the unaided eye. There are still quite a few! ISS in particular is very bright and can even be seen before sunset. The new…

The nightmode streetview is very cool.

Re: Low Earth Orbit Visualization

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For spotting satellites at night, try my site: https://james.darpinian.com/satellites/ Most of the satellites shown on the Leolabs site are too dim to see without a telescope because they don't reflect enough light. My site calculates brightness and filters down to the ones that you can see with the unaided eye. There are still quite a few! ISS in particular is very bright and can even be seen before sunset. The new…

Wow. I allowed Chrome to know my location for the first time and Street View was in my front door. I thought it was going to use the IP but it's impossible to be that accurate, does it Chrome use my Home on my profile location or something like that?

When you enable location, Chrome will send some pieces of information about your computer to Google Location Services to get your GPS location. Then Chrome sends that GPS location to the site you're visiting. Using information from your profile wouldn't be accurate if you were e.g. at a coffee shop.

>The information that Chrome sends to Google Location Services may include:

>The Wi-Fi routers closest to you

>Cell IDs of the cell towers closest to you

>The strength of your Wi-Fi or cell signal

>The IP address that is currently assigned to your device

https://www.google.com/chrome/privacy/

Disclosure: I work at Google but not on anything related to this.

Re: Low Earth Orbit Visualization

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Those long, straight-line convoys of Starlink satellites are fascinating. There's a few of them I could see scattered around the Earth. At what point do they start breaking up into unrelated orbits? Looking forward to using this website to try spotting satellites at night. There's something strangely thrilling about seeing objects in the night sky that were placed there by people.

For spotting satellites at night, try my site: https://james.darpinian.com/satellites/ Most of the satellites shown on the Leolabs site are too dim to see without a telescope because they don't reflect enough light. My site calculates brightness and filters down to the ones that you can see with the unaided eye. There are still quite a few! ISS in particular is very bright and can even be seen before sunset. The new…

Wow that's so big it's hard to visualize. Their website shows just how giant that is.

Does this mean the US probably has satellites that can easily pick up cell signals anywhere in the world from space?

https://ast-science.com/spacemobile-network/bluewalker-3/

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