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Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will be built

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Re: Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will be built

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From what I understand it's also (mainly?) because the southern areas pricing is very connected to Danish and German markets.

Maybe someone should sabotage some energy infrastructure on the Baltic seabed to ensure better prices in Sweden…

Sweden isn't exporting electricity for free. The money is there - it just needs to be redistributed from companies to the people.

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The cost of batteries is immaterial to anything being discussed here. As you already knew.

From the previous comment: > Batteries will probably be cheaper, The above commenter clearly thinks that batteries are going to provide cheap storage. If you have some alternative plan for storage at the scale of tens of terawatt hours, please do tell.

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It'd be expensive, but it's technically feasible. I'd also expect there's economies of scale involved; building a cable with twice the capacity doesn't cost twice as much; you might even just use the same cable and run it at a higher voltage.

Expensive but technically feasible, plus making Europe at the mercy of unstable regimes across the Mediterranean. That worked just fine with natural gas imports from Russia right?

At least Morocco/Algeria/Libya/Egypt/Tunisia don't have nuclear weapons or large conventional militaries and aren't generally much of a threat to anyone but themselves and sometimes their immediate neighbors.

There is a political risk that the governments of those countries change and they seize the energy-producing assets and sell surplus power to someone other than Europe. Perhaps a mutually-beneficial arrangement would be the best way to reduce the risk of it falling apart; for instance, if Morocco has the solar panels and Switzerland has the pumped-hydro storage facility to buffer out day/night cycles, both sides can trade power to their mutual benefit. Without both parts of the whole system, the other half is less useful.

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Intermittency is one of the most difficult parts of building a majority renewable grid. Dismissing the biggest challenge in building a renewable grid as trolling is not a good look.

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From the previous comment: > Batteries will probably be cheaper, The above commenter clearly thinks that batteries are going to provide cheap storage. If you have some alternative plan for storage at the scale of tens of terawatt hours, please do tell.

I'd imagine we'll probably continue to store power the same way the vast majority of power is stored now, using pumped hydroelectric storage.

Pumped storage is geographically limited: as more convenient sites are developed, viable locations become more and more remote. Hydroelectric storage is great, but not the pumped kind. The energy storage supplies by the Hoover dam, the Coolie dam, dwarf pumped hydro.

It's great for countries that have it, but you're not going to be storing much hydroelectricity outside of mountainous regions.

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Relying on coal on for 30%+ of their electricity

That's a small part of their sins. The big part is relying on gas for heating. When speaking with germans I've found that they think of gas as "clean" which sounds insane to me. Yeah, maybe locally, compared to coal, but it's their largest co2 emission source nevertheless.

It’s “clean coal” all over again.

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From the previous comment: > Batteries will probably be cheaper, The above commenter clearly thinks that batteries are going to provide cheap storage. If you have some alternative plan for storage at the scale of tens of terawatt hours, please do tell.

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So just to make sure I'm understanding you: you insist that storage is a solved problem. It's solution is so obvious that anyone who doesn't agree it's an easy problem is trolling. But on the other hand, you are unwilling to mention how grid scale energy storage in a majority renewable grid will work.

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Has there been, in recent memory, any grid scale generator, or roof-top solar for that matter, that didn't get significant subsidies? The argument should be about whether or not those subsidies would have been better spend elsewhere. I'd probably argue subsidising local wind / solar (plus storage), and local manufacturing of same, would be better, even though I tend to argue nuclear is a reason option some of the tim…

Subsidies for renewables are very reliably seen to drive prices down faster than would have happened without, producing always a very large net gain. Nukes have been heavily subsidized forever, but prices have only ever risen.

Maybe you mean not up as fast, otherwise where is this fantidy land where consumers prices have gone down?

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Maybe someone should sabotage some energy infrastructure on the Baltic seabed to ensure better prices in Sweden…

Sweden isn't exporting electricity for free. The money is there - it just needs to be redistributed from companies to the people.

Or the very least, be used to build new energy infrastructure and generation.

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Sounds like the ideal backup to me.

Only if "ideal" means "massively expensive". Generally you want backup to not cost overmuch.

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