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Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will be built

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How exactly will you be 100% renewable during a cloudy and windless period with solar and wind?

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Intermittency is one of the most difficult parts of building a majority renewable grid. Dismissing the biggest challenge in building a renewable grid as trolling is not a good look.

Re: Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will be built

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Energy demand will not increase in the next decade. It will, instead, fall, as it has in recent years. Electricity demand will increase as that takes over for other energy uses that will be collapsing.

You appear to be contradicting yourself, but I imagine you don't think you are, so you might want to elaborate.

He is not contradicting himself. You have to remember the awful efficiency of thermal engines.

Primary energy demand will decrease because you do not lose 70% of the energy by simply cooling it like in steam turbine used by nuclear power plants or car engines.

On the other hand, electricity usage will increase because you have now replaced your 30-40% efficient engines with 90+% efficient engines, but from a different source. That barely have any losses from the primary energy input.

Re: Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will be built

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post #120

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Energy demand will not increase in the next decade. It will, instead, fall, as it has in recent years. Electricity demand will increase as that takes over for other energy uses that will be collapsing.

You appear to be contradicting yourself, but I imagine you don't think you are, so you might want to elaborate.

Petrol burned in a car is energy, not electricity.

Re: Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will be built

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The planet will be fine. Civilization will be likely to have collapsed, but that is our problem.

> Civilization will be likely to have collapsed, Some in the short term, more in the long term. But I challenge you to find any sane climate model that says Sweden won't be around in 20 years to use any infrastructure built today.

Sweden is not less dependent on global civilization than other countries. Is Sweden a net food importer?

Re: Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will be built

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The new coalition government has pledged $40B (approximately the market cap of Twitter, heh) in loan guarantees for nuclear power construction. They have also pledged to create legal guarantees that future politicians will not be able to shut down functioning nuclear power reactors without suitable monetary compensation to the owners/operators of these reactors. In addition to this, they are commissioning an urgent s…

Congratulations, I hope you guys are able to build them quickly.

> I think massive expansion of nuclear power is the only realistic way to fix climate change.

While I agree on the overall direction of this sentiment I think nuclear cannot be "the" only way but "one amongst many" ways.

Re: Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will be built

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The new coalition government has pledged $40B (approximately the market cap of Twitter, heh) in loan guarantees for nuclear power construction. They have also pledged to create legal guarantees that future politicians will not be able to shut down functioning nuclear power reactors without suitable monetary compensation to the owners/operators of these reactors. In addition to this, they are commissioning an urgent s…

The previous government didn't stop the shutdown planned 40+ years ago (due to a national referendum), in part because the owners (Vattenfall) said it's not economically feasible to run them anymore without subsidies. It's complex.

Energy security has a price.

Re: Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will be built

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Reactors will not be forced to shut down, in the future. Instead, they will be shut down as unable to produce power at a competitive price. Those that continue operating will depend even more on taxpayer subsidies than they do now. The money that will be spent on these new reactors would buy a hell of a lot more wind power than these nukes could produce. But money for renewables would not go into the pockets of right…

Pure FUD. The wind doesn't blow all the time and battery technology at scale isn't there.

Yes, why not both?

Re: Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will be built

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I am in the cult of "living in the present, where one part of the world has experienced one of the severest droughts in the history of mankind, and the other the worst floods". Recently I joined a second cult called "it's only going to get worse". So what the heck, we've got money and time for expensive solutions that take forever to finish.

> where one part of the world has experienced one of the severest droughts in the history of mankind, and the other the worst floods". Nothing happening today, extrapolated out to 20 years with the most severe climate models, will be severe enough to cause the "end of the world". Anybody who's telling you we'll have total societal collapse by 2042 is out of touch with reality. The only way for things to go that badly…

You seem very certain of your facts.

I can only say that you are probably right. But we don't know if the ocean ecosystem will collapse in that time, bringing down civilization.

The thing about collapse is that it happens terrifyingly fast, and is only sometimes predicted accurately.

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How exactly will you be 100% renewable during a cloudy and windless period with solar and wind?

Pumped hydro storage, batteries, and/or long-distance grid interconnection. It's not often overcast in the Sahara, as far as I know, and solar power imported from far to the east and west can mitigate the day/night cycle problem. It's reasonable to keep ICE power plants around as an emergency backup; if you have to use them for a week in January or when infrastructure breaks for whatever reason it's not the end of th…

Transmitting energy over long distances is way more difficult than you make it out to be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OpM_zKGE4o

Re: Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will be built

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post #135
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The new coalition government has pledged $40B (approximately the market cap of Twitter, heh) in loan guarantees for nuclear power construction. They have also pledged to create legal guarantees that future politicians will not be able to shut down functioning nuclear power reactors without suitable monetary compensation to the owners/operators of these reactors. In addition to this, they are commissioning an urgent s…

Congratulations, I hope you guys are able to build them quickly. > I think massive expansion of nuclear power is the only realistic way to fix climate change. While I agree on the overall direction of this sentiment I think nuclear cannot be "the" only way but "one amongst many" ways.

While wind and solar will help, nuclear is really the dominant part of the solution, because of it's ability to work independent of local weather.
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