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Re: TikTok has an open computational chemistry position

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Post by kube-system »

trasz wrote: post #107
kube-system wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’re “the same” only in a reductionist sort of way that isn’t very conducive to productive conversation. Varying economic and legal systems are different in the specifics about how they work, even if self interested individuals exist everywhere.

They are the same in every practical sense, in particular in their end results. The differences you mention are an implementation detail - in some countries you have the rules written down as law, in others you got shady three letter agencies, kangaroo "FISA courts", and In-Q-Tel.

The end results are not the same. There are many observable differences between doing business in China and in the US or other western market democracies. For instance, executive action is regularly challenged in the US, and successfully so.

Re: TikTok has an open computational chemistry position

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Post by LeonTheremin »

intrasight wrote: post #27

They hired a friend who's a neuroscientist who specializes in reading minds. At least I know what they're up to.

Users have been noticing Google's ads are based on thoughts they had and without any chance of correlation to whatever Google's AI could infer from previous interaction. Same for Twitter, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, TikTok.

Big Tech's algorithms have long been tapping into illegal surveillance of an unprecedented kind - besides the cliques of insiders who misuse this for stalking and harassment of children, human rights defenders, activists, minorities and everyone else.

Don't expect them to be honest about their surveillance.

Re: TikTok has an open computational chemistry position

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Post by konfusinomicon »

harveywi wrote: post #110
ackbar03 wrote: post #65

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That will be cool if their really looking to expand into something useful like biochemistry r&d, similar to Google with deepmind.

They are going after the hundred billion dollar pet industry, focusing on electronics for pets. With a TikTok flip-flop, give a dog a phone.

and we thought spam calls were bad, now instead of extended warrantys and political surveys, my dog is going to be calling and texting me every 10 minutes asking for treats and belly rubs

Re: TikTok has an open computational chemistry position

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Post by goethes_kind »

chazeon wrote: post #103
goethes_kind wrote: post #93

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Can you point me to some papers? I'm quite curious since I do something adjacent but with fluids.

See this one, for example, you could look at the method description section: Modeling liquid water by climbing up Jacob's ladder in density functional theory facilitated by using deep neural network potentials https://arxiv.org/abs/2104.14410 The software that are used are DeePMD-kit: https://github.com/deepmodeling/deepmd-kit the corresponding paper is https://arxiv.org/pdf/1712.03641.pdf

Thanks. At first glance it looks very different from what I am doing, but nonetheless very interesting.

Re: TikTok has an open computational chemistry position

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Post by trasz »

kube-system wrote: post #121
trasz wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are the same in every practical sense, in particular in their end results. The differences you mention are an implementation detail - in some countries you have the rules written down as law, in others you got shady three letter agencies, kangaroo "FISA courts", and In-Q-Tel.

The end results are not the same. There are many observable differences between doing business in China and in the US or other western market democracies. For instance, executive action is regularly challenged in the US, and successfully so.

>For instance, executive action is regularly challenged in the US, and successfully so.

And? How's that different from China?

Re: TikTok has an open computational chemistry position

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Post by amelius »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #85
amelius wrote: post #31

"Our brightest minds are making people click ads" ...

"Making people click ads" is just applied computational sociology. Which is a good thing, since the sociology we had before clickable ads was unequivocally less scientific and useful.

But the knowledge we gain is only about triggering the bad paths of human brain, like addiction, greed, FOMO, etc. And who is "we" anyway, this stuff isn't public.

Re: TikTok has an open computational chemistry position

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Post by knodi123 »

konfusinomicon wrote: post #123
harveywi wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are going after the hundred billion dollar pet industry, focusing on electronics for pets. With a TikTok flip-flop, give a dog a phone.

and we thought spam calls were bad, now instead of extended warrantys and political surveys, my dog is going to be calling and texting me every 10 minutes asking for treats and belly rubs

or just to say "hey", like the old far side comic with a canine decoder

https://elorganillero.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/canine-...

Re: TikTok has an open computational chemistry position

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

amelius wrote: post #127
otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Making people click ads" is just applied computational sociology. Which is a good thing, since the sociology we had before clickable ads was unequivocally less scientific and useful.

But the knowledge we gain is only about triggering the bad paths of human brain, like addiction, greed, FOMO, etc. And who is "we" anyway, this stuff isn't public.

No, because literally every business that exists wants to advertise. (And also organizations that aren't businesses, like NGO's and government agencies and non-profits.)

Re: TikTok has an open computational chemistry position

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

ggpsv wrote: post #97
otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Making people click ads" is just applied computational sociology. Which is a good thing, since the sociology we had before clickable ads was unequivocally less scientific and useful.

"good" and "sociology" are surely carrying a lot of weight in that statement. What does "good" mean applied in this context? I'm not sure I see the connection to sociology though, do yo mean behavioral economics?

Advertising today is figuring out the preferences and behavioral patterns of different social groups. It's not based on economics, it's mostly stats and probability theory.
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