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Tell HN: Getting Ready for Unemployment

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Re: Tell HN: Getting Ready for Unemployment

#121
Sometimes even an unskilled job is better than no job, to at least have some income to work with, even if some debts have to wait. It gives you a tool to negotiate those debts far better than with no income at all. And once you are ready (maybe now), the Dave Ramsey materials can help prepare for the next financial down period (we all have ups and downs of different kinds).

Also, I would consider contacting https://www.latterdaysaintjobs.org/ers/ct/?lang=eng (you do not have to be a Church member) and follow their program for employment, very diligently. I gather that they are good at it.

And you are needed and valuable! Nothing you can do can change that.

Re: Tell HN: Getting Ready for Unemployment

#122

Have you considered applying for non-tech jobs? Unemployment in most western countries is incredibly low right now. If you have large debts that are stressing you out, taking a boring job and paying it off will ease a lot of that stress. You might also find your talents put to use in areas you don't expect.

This right here. I make decent money as a software eng, but recently spent time with family and saw how much my little brothers are making in roof sales and low voltage electrical work (intercoms, led lighting, etc). Trades and home building in the US pay pretty well.

i was a software engineer for 15 years. Got into framing houses. Started a business about a year into it. I make great money.

Re: Tell HN: Getting Ready for Unemployment

#123
Been in your situation several times (in fact I left my job a few weeks ago and know for sure that I will be in the same state of mind in a few days, but my life is more balanced than a few years ago so I'll have more support to overcome that hell).

There is no simple solution.

I hope this few advices will help:

* Do not bury yourself in loneliness: you are caught in a vicious circle where you have a negative vision of yourself, try things and fail which strenghten this negative vision. This circle cannot be escaped by yourself alone: you need people to talk about it, who will help have a lighter saw of the situation. Talk about this with the people you know.

* Meet new people (easier said than done, but definitely a good way to break out of the spiral). If you really don't have any idea, you could always offer a beer to strangers in bars.

* As suggested elsewhere in this thread: get help from a doctor. Take anxiolytics to soft the pain and help you forget about your shitty situation.

* Ban the "news": it will only confirm you that the world is not worth living in. Definitely not what you need.

* Get pleasure: make a list of ten things that you like and try to do at least three a day. Everything that brings you joy will help.

* Getting a job has really little to do with the skills needed for the job, most of it is selling yourself as the best match for the job. Nobody can evaluate your skills in an interview. Being in a bad mood plays against you in this game. Even if you don't believe it, lie and tell that you're the best fit for the job.

* Learn to love yourself: simple tricks like saying "i'm the best" in front of a mirror are dumb, but they work.

* Do not focus on doing "useful" things, everything will pay off in its due time. Nothing is useless by itself, everything you learn could be useful later.

* Walk and see. Take some time to walk around your neighbourhood, watch what happens around you, talk to strangers. Take some photos of the things you find beautiful. It will help you to feel being part of a greater whole and will avoid to focus on your own problems.

* Write. About anything, you don't even need to make a public blog or that kind of thing, a simple text file somewhere on your computer is enough. Just tidying your thoughts to be able to write them down is a useful exercice to understand yourself, and understanding yourself is key to get out of this ball of darkness.

* Laugh. Watch funny movies, etc. Laughing will decrease your sadness, it's kind of mechanical.

* If you are not able to believe in yourself, believe in me, who believes in you.

I know this kind of situation is very hard to live, and you must feel as there is no ending to it, but eventually you will find your way out.

Good luck and keep hope.

Re: Tell HN: Getting Ready for Unemployment

#125
Never attempt suicide. Should you fail, you'll just incur new problems-- like mandatory psychiatric holds, brain damage or a failing liver.

> every single company I applied for, rejected my job application. (Told me that they found a person better qualified than me.)

Don't lose hope. The better-qualified candidates you lost out to don't always stay. Sometimes they stick around for a few weeks and bail, having accepted a better offer.

> Quit a low-paying C++ job (which was a horrible mistake)

You quit for a reason. This was an exploitative situation you were never going to transcend otherwise.

Now you have an opportunity to use this time to add value to your existing skillset. Developers still tend to respond with blank stares when anybody mentions software security. Brush up on best practices and remarket yourself as a security-specialized C++ developer, which creates a niche for yourself in which only you are the best candidate.

One thing I've learned is that there are never really any "better qualified" people than yourself. Everybody acts like they know what they're talking about, but they are often utterly-incompetent con-artists and degenerates with a knack for showmanship who were able to put on a better performance than you. Don't try to compete on merit or competence alone-- you will always be left in the dust.

Re: Tell HN: Getting Ready for Unemployment

#126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure? I have 10 years of C++ dev experience and I feel like a hot girl on tinder… have to constantly fend off recruiters. I have at least a an offer a week… I sometimes go through the interview just to stay sharp (I love my current workplace, been here for almost 8y and I am not planning to change anytime soon) and usually end up with an offer!

Very sure. I have pretty much on every programming language on my resume and LinkedIn (and yes - I have actively worked on projects that shipped to customers using those). Number one recruiter reachouts are webdev (Javascript), followed by generic web backend stuff (Java, sometimes Go, less likely C#). Then there are the Rust crypto blockchain stuff recruiters (yes, it's unfortunately 90% of roles using Rust). And th…

Probably you don’t have enough C++ experience… almost every time I interview someone who claims some experience in C++ (damn… sometimes even people that worked in C++ only for years) I am very tempted to advise them to completely remove C++ from their resume cause their knowledge ridiculous! I am literally bombarded with offers! (My company develop all its backends, web services included, in C++)

Re: Tell HN: Getting Ready for Unemployment

#127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very sure. I have pretty much on every programming language on my resume and LinkedIn (and yes - I have actively worked on projects that shipped to customers using those). Number one recruiter reachouts are webdev (Javascript), followed by generic web backend stuff (Java, sometimes Go, less likely C#). Then there are the Rust crypto blockchain stuff recruiters (yes, it's unfortunately 90% of roles using Rust). And th…

Probably you don’t have enough C++ experience… almost every time I interview someone who claims some experience in C++ (damn… sometimes even people that worked in C++ only for years) I am very tempted to advise them to completely remove C++ from their resume cause their knowledge ridiculous! I am literally bombarded with offers! (My company develop all its backends, web services included, in C++)

Maybe? Maybe not? You are likely as well positioned on judging about that based on looking at an arbitrary name on a message board than the usual recruiters are based on looking at LinkedIn profiles. They are buzzword searching, and a the actual skill check follows in an interview loop. It might just either be about different buzzwords, or a different geographic region.

Re: Tell HN: Getting Ready for Unemployment

#128
If you can rearrange debt so that you have 2x $70 minimum payments instead of 3 it might help to keep your outflow down until you land again. I found meetings of other job seekers to be excellent for support and getting into the career transition mindset and game plan.

Re: Tell HN: Getting Ready for Unemployment

#129
Before my previous job i went on like 36 interviews for months before I got lucky And found a match with a company that wanted to hire me.

The expectation that it’s easy to find work is not the norm, and the belief that if you can’t work as a c++ developer you might as well end it all is unreasonable.

Plenty of people are plenty happy and live rich fulfilling lives outside of tech. Go get a job in a grocery store or starbucks or restaurant or something and keep applying to engineering jobs on the side.

Problem solved.

Re: Tell HN: Getting Ready for Unemployment

#130
Let a job just be a job: a transaction from a fixed amount of time and effort for money to cover your expenses.

You don't have to be the best at anything. The sooner you detach from that notion that your life is only valuable if you produce some economic output, the sooner you will reach the mental freedom of not stressing out about every day life. If you go so far to throw your life away just because you can't function in this made up environment, you can simply redefine yourself to see the things the way they truly are.

If you know C++, you can easily pick up java spring boot and working with databases. Whatever you do, do it joyfully and you will ease into things with little effort. Rekindle your curiosity and shake off the chatter of the people.

I think you let yourself get manipulated by the negative news, outlooks and rejections from people. You are not in control of your inner world. Let the outer world be the way it is, but on the inside, you can create whatever state you want to be in. You have to become the architect of your own life or people will architect you the way they want: in fear of things you can't control.

Have you ever noticed how the world just keeps spinning as if nothing happened? Your country spins in a small cycle, the world spins in a larger cycle, the solar system spins in a much bigger cycle, but whatever you do, the universe doesn't give a damn about these abstractions you stress yourself out with. People act as if they run the world. They keep themselves up to date with the latest bit of drama.

With that put into perspective, how much does a rejection really matter? I don't think it changes anything. Even if you got the job, whatever happens there should have no impact on you. The next problem may be a boss, a coworker, a technical issue, a financial issue... the list goes on. When do you want to break free from this?

Make programming an all inclusive process. Pick up knowledge on the fly and you will grow horizontally to be a solution to this problem. Just whatever you do, focus on what matters to you, not what matters to someone who tells you what matters.

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