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Lufthansa abandons AirTag ban

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Re: Lufthansa abandons AirTag ban

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easyjet wants a word

one word: ryanair.

Of course fully anecdotal, but my experiences with ryanair have been mostly fine - the planes are shit and they try and sell you bollocks on board but they run on time and it all kinda works. Easyjet on the other hand... mamma mia, getting a refund out of them is a gauntlet, and at my local airport >50% (!!!!) of easyjet flights are delayed or cancelled.

Re: Lufthansa abandons AirTag ban

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Classic. Someone gets a lower-level customer service rep on twitter to make a statement based on incorrect and incomplete information about Airtags in compliance with regulation. Media blows it up into this insane thing, that Lufthansa is evil, and doesn't want you to track your bags, so they can lose it with no repercussions. Lufthansa clarifies things (once again, in line with law) - and then the media uses works l…

Then maybe it's time that lower-level customer service reps stop running official company twitter accounts. Maybe you and I see it differently, but most of the world sees a company's twitter account as the official source of information and fast-paced updates. It has as much significance as a press release from the CEO or an announcement on the company website. So if the lower-level customer service rep fucks up, out…

You're going after the wrong people here. Journalists hungry for clickbait can't wait for incompetent customer reps to tweet some stupid shit. So the "journalist" can blow it out of proportion. It's literally their bread and butter.

Re: Lufthansa abandons AirTag ban

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Lufthansa deserves it. Worst airline I've ever flown (and that's saying something being from Canada).

Is AirCanada bad? I have a big flight on there in a few months (honeymoon) and it's gotten rescheduled numerous times but otherwise service has seemed fine.

When things go right AC is fine. When things go wrong, do not expect anyone to have any empathy or be willing to help you in any way that is even slightly outside regular operating procedure.

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Yeah, you're right - managing PR and a social media presence is a direct correlation to operating airplanes with a relatively stellar safety record: > (Lufthansa has)"one fatal air crash, one non-fatal crash, and two hull losses noted since 1989" (1) (1) JACDEC, https://www.jacdec.de/Order/2021_JACDEC_AIRLINE_RISK_RANKING...

How is Germanwings Flight 9525 (Lufthansa Group) counted under this system?

Good question - at first blush it doesn't appear that it is. I wonder if that's because it was declared a deliberate act by the pilot and was not due to plane/pilot error/safety. I did a surface level dive on the source's methodology and didn't see it called out explicitly.

Point taken, though - you could say that the PiC of that flight might not have been had they better process/procedures.

Re: Lufthansa abandons AirTag ban

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Classic. Someone gets a lower-level customer service rep on twitter to make a statement based on incorrect and incomplete information about Airtags in compliance with regulation. Media blows it up into this insane thing, that Lufthansa is evil, and doesn't want you to track your bags, so they can lose it with no repercussions. Lufthansa clarifies things (once again, in line with law) - and then the media uses works l…

You really BLASTED the media there, @InTheArena!

jk

Yes - modern technology is making an objectively malformed economy and social signalling system.

Still crossing fingers that there is a viable solution to populism.

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>From what I've read Lufthansa never banned AirTags "Hi David, Lufthansa is banning activated AirTags from luggage as they are classified as dangerous and need to be turned off./Mony" https://twitter.com/lufthansa/status/1578879849577385984 I think that's pretty explicit. Official policy somewhere else in the company might be different but it's hard to imagine how folks are supposed to know what is up when they say i…

> regardless of what a misinformed customer service person on Twitter may have thought I'd suggest that their published guidelines are probably more reliable than the interpretation of those being communicated for convenience by customer service reps. That's not to say this didn't have an impact, it clearly did, and customers should be able to trust this, but most of the reporting on this has treated it like an activ…

What makes you think a customer service rep is operating the official Twitter account for a $40+BN company?

Re: Lufthansa abandons AirTag ban

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From what I've read Lufthansa never banned AirTags, regardless of what a misinformed customer service person on Twitter may have thought. They clarified their guidelines to say that active transmitters were not allowed in the hold because they couldn't be put on to flight mode (pretty much correct according to ICAO guidelines), and then after all this blew up later clarified their position by confirming that AirTags…

But why do AirTags not count?

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> regardless of what a misinformed customer service person on Twitter may have thought I'd suggest that their published guidelines are probably more reliable than the interpretation of those being communicated for convenience by customer service reps. That's not to say this didn't have an impact, it clearly did, and customers should be able to trust this, but most of the reporting on this has treated it like an activ…

What makes you think a customer service rep is operating the official Twitter account for a $40+BN company?

The fact that Twitter is a customer service channel, the tweet was sent with "Qualtrics Social Connect" which describes itself as a customer service tool, the fact that there was a personal sign-off on the tweet which big companies don't tend to do when they're making policy announcements, but that they do tend to do when a customer service rep is replying to a customer question. Plenty of large companies do this sort of support via their official account rather than through a dedicated support account, it generally provides a better customer experience because no one wants to look up an account like "LufthansaSupportEMEA".

I'm not sure what makes you think this is not a customer service interaction?

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Classic. Someone gets a lower-level customer service rep on twitter to make a statement based on incorrect and incomplete information about Airtags in compliance with regulation. Media blows it up into this insane thing, that Lufthansa is evil, and doesn't want you to track your bags, so they can lose it with no repercussions. Lufthansa clarifies things (once again, in line with law) - and then the media uses works l…

The normalization of clickbait everywhere is so disheartening. Including on HN. I have to click through to the comments and find the one correcting for the hyperbole and fake extreme emotions used in the title.

It is exhausting and I refuse to click through such titles - but nowadays that’s almost all of them.

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