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Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Yeah, this is especially an issue as certain forms of medical care gets politicized. If a doctor is obviously telling people that cigarettes are healthy and alcohol abuse if the key to a long life then of course they probably should have their license revoked. If a doctor isn't certain of the literature or has moral objections to prescribing hormones to trans teenagers, well that one is up for debate. Similarly see A…

The whole situation with Alex Jones has undermined the confidence I have with our court system and our government. Initially I thought there was some Mandela Effect going on because I could have sworn I remembered Alex Jones losing a Sandy Hook civil suit case multiple times before. Turns out, he’s being sued multiple times by different sets of parents and from what I understand, this latest case isn’t the last one.…

> Firstly, because this is a civil matter and not a criminal one, there is no protection against double jeopardy. He can keep getting sued over and over for the same thing.

Not by the same people, though. If he damaged ten people, he might owe damages to each of those ten people. That doesn't sound like a problem to me.

> Second, fining someone a billion dollars is just ludicrous.

It seems like your argument is that the sum is simply too large, and that the specifics of the case are irrelevant.

This seems dangerous to me. If someone does actually cause that amount of damage, why should they not be civilly liable? Surely it depends on the specifics of the case to determine if they did cause that much damage or not?

Otherwise, does everyone just get to cause as much damage as they like but have a cap on what they are held responsible for? That doesn't seem right to me. If someone wants to get involved in a course of conduct which can cause terrible damages to others, then they should also be responsible for that.

Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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I see a lot of people critical of Turkey... and I agree. But the US is not too far away. See AB-2098 in California just signed by governor / likely presidential nominee Gavin Newson [1] which basically gives the state the ability to revoke medical licenses for spreading "false information that is contradicted by contemporary scientific contrary to the standard of care" (in other words, go against the CDC or other sta…

If you don't want to be beholden to the state then don't get a state enforced license. > 270. (a) It shall constitute unprofessional conduct for a physician and surgeon to disseminate misinformation or disinformation related to COVID-19, including false or misleading information regarding the nature and risks of the virus, its prevention and treatment; and the development, safety, and effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccin…

Your take is: "You got a state license, so you should accept whatever the government decides to do with state license."

Let that sink in.

Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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It’s more about how it is extremely counternarrative to how it was marketed and sold. If you had told someone, who had gotten the vaccine, that Pfizer did not know whether you could still pass the virus on to your unvaccinated grandmother, you would have been laughed at. But here we are.

Why would anyone laugh at that unless they themselves had a laughably simplistic concept of how the field of medicine works? As I recall, the details and limitations of the various vaccines were not hidden and no one was lied to.

What do you mean they were not lied to? Specifically by Pfizer or the US government? Because there are numerous instances where Biden and Fauci said that if you get the vaccine:

- You won't get Covid.

- You won't transmit Covid to anybody else.

- Covid vaccine is / will be super effective against variants.

None of those were true after-all.

If you're talking about Pfizer fair enough, they didn't outright lie, they lied by omission - as I did not see them coming out to correct those misconceptions. They were more than happy with demand on the vaccine being inflated because of those very misconceptions and raking the profits in.

Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole situation with Alex Jones has undermined the confidence I have with our court system and our government. Initially I thought there was some Mandela Effect going on because I could have sworn I remembered Alex Jones losing a Sandy Hook civil suit case multiple times before. Turns out, he’s being sued multiple times by different sets of parents and from what I understand, this latest case isn’t the last one.…

> Firstly, because this is a civil matter and not a criminal one, there is no protection against double jeopardy. He can keep getting sued over and over for the same thing. Not by the same people, though. If he damaged ten people, he might owe damages to each of those ten people. That doesn't sound like a problem to me. > Second, fining someone a billion dollars is just ludicrous. It seems like your argument is that…

Do you truly think Alex Jones's speech inflicted a billion dollars worth of damage?

I'd love to see an itemized bill demonstrating that. If he actually did cause that much real damage, sure, it would be fair. But I can't possibly conceive how he would have caused even $100k in real damages, much less a billion. It's equally, if not more dangerous, to fine people ludicrously large, arbitrary amounts of money because they spoke something that went against public opinion.

Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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post #14

Isn't this what people want through the world? Control and ban fake news. Defined as what those currently in power think. Also, only three years? Isn't that very soft thinking how destructive fake news can be?

Are you a Chinese bot or something?

Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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post #14

Isn't this what people want through the world? Control and ban fake news. Defined as what those currently in power think. Also, only three years? Isn't that very soft thinking how destructive fake news can be?

Are you a Chinese bot or something?

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Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't want to be beholden to the state then don't get a state enforced license. > 270. (a) It shall constitute unprofessional conduct for a physician and surgeon to disseminate misinformation or disinformation related to COVID-19, including false or misleading information regarding the nature and risks of the virus, its prevention and treatment; and the development, safety, and effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccin…

Your take is: "You got a state license, so you should accept whatever the government decides to do with state license." Let that sink in.

No, my take is that you should manage your risk. If you don't want the risk of the state changing its rules don't tie your employment to that state.

My second point is that professionals should already accurately tell the truth to their patients.

Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Time to remove Turkey from NATO

There is literally zero mechanisms for removing countries from NATO. They have to leave on their own accord (which they obviously won't do, since membership provides immense benefits).

Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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post #60

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Alex Jones isn't the story you think it is. There are procedures to follow in a lawsuit such as discovery. If you intentionally do not follow them then you get in trouble. He may have been able to muster a "I only said things"/ free speech defense if he actually was trying to defend himself in court. Instead he didn't participate in the lawsuit and the other party that did is assumed to be correct. > [1] In both the…

Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm not sure if I see how this changes the fundamental nature of the lawsuit. "Spreading disinformation", whether you profit from it or not, is really just "Speaking your incorrect opinion out loud" in a more negative light. The basis of the lawsuit was "This man said things that made me upset". And yeah, they were rightfully upset, but it's something that I think any court in a count…

If a famous person spreads lies about my murdered kids for profit which results in years of harassment and death threats it's not simply "spreading disinformation".
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