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Re: Tell HN: I'm nervous and don't know where else to go

#21
Yes, calm down.

I wish someone could have told me that when I was an intern. Many times.

If the upgrade blows up, it won't be your fault because you're just an intern. There are multiple people making way more money than you are who are responsible for running the company. If those people leave an intern in charge of a mission-critical system and it breaks, it's their fault. If you do end up in the soup and you're able to save the day by calling Epicor support, you'll end up with some very nice letters of reference.

If it doesn't blow up, great, it means your advisor trusts you to keep the plates spinning while he's out. Keep doing what you're doing and you'll have a bright future.

Next time get trained before the guy with the knowledge disappears :)

Re: Tell HN: I'm nervous and don't know where else to go

#22

If your boss hasn't left yet, talk to them. Ask if there's a runbook and what credentials you'll need. Both aren't just reasonable questions, they're required to be known to complete the task. If boss is gone, go to their supervisor. Do this today. Assuming you're in the US, you have most of the workday to figure out what you know and what you don't. And, as somebody else posted, calm down. Either your boss trusts yo…

thanks for the advice.

to add some context, i have been voicing concerns and i just feel that i may be in a position where i have to take the silence and work it out for myself - i must remember all the resources i have available to me (including you kind folk here at HN) and work with what i have been given.

i have gotten myself this far, and only i can make it better for myself. time to nut up or shut up i suppose and stand up for myself.

Re: Tell HN: I'm nervous and don't know where else to go

#23
Share your concerns. You're an intern, so unless the process is entirely automated with zero chance of failure, your supervisor is a goddamn maniac for leaving you to handle it. You're not trained, you're not paid enough to accept responsibility, and it's an idiot thing to do and a shitty thing to put on you.

Polish your resume no matter what, because you're working for people who should rightfully make their living biting the heads off chickens out back of a circus tent for a nickel admission fee, not managing anything that matters.

Re: Tell HN: I'm nervous and don't know where else to go

#24
Hello db. Let me try to help :)

You haven't provided a lot of info, but based on what you say, it seems that:

1) you are an intern, not a full-time employee (FTE)

2) Your boss seems to be the one supposedly in charge of the Epicor update, but it also seems that he felt you could be put in charge while he's away. Wait, though: in charge in case the automation he put in place doesn't work.

3) You feel the task it daunting, and you are panicking.

4) It seems you are mostly worrying about the case where the automated update process fails, and people would revert to you to ask for help.

If the above is correct, I'd suggest the following:

1) Use a written form of communication to tell your boss what makes you anxious. Written would help you in case of any legal issue, any wrongful termination, or simply in case your boss will try to blame you for any issue as a result of a failed update.

e.g. "Dear boss, I hope you will have a wonderful holiday next week. I am concerned about the Epicor update scheduled for Monday, Oct 17th, as I have no useful information to be able to support the company in case the update doesn't go as you planned. I just wanted to make sure that you were ok with this, and don't expect me to be able to intervene in case of issues. Of course, I will do my best if something happens, and I would appreciate if you could let me know what's expected of me during the update, or even in preparation for the update (e.g. would you need me to study anything during the weekend?) Thanks."

2) Do not assume that your goal now is to prep for the update, spend the weekend studying Epicor or whatever else. You might still want to do it, but again, it is not required. It seems your boss didn't tell you anything like that.

3) You might want to review your "contract", even if you are an intern and not a FTE. What did you sign when you started working with this company? Try to see if there's anything weird in the liabilities you incur for any wrongdoing. Probably nothing, though. Relax.

4) You're an intern, you're probably young, and this is a great learning opportunity for you. Your anxiety is a consequence of your inability to communicate with your boss properly, even if he might have made a mistake of leaving you alone in all of this. Analyze how the conversation went, and see if you could have done better.

5) Finally, do not listen to the others suggesting that you should polish your resume and run for the hill. It's too rushed. You gave us sparse information, and there's very little to suggest that this would be the best course of action.

Try, instead, to make the best of this situation. And don't panic. Panic is often anxiety, self-inflicted anxiety. You probably didn't do anything wrong; you might have a boss that is not fully aware of what's going on inside your brain, and that happens.

Good luck! Hope that this was helpful in some way.

Re: Tell HN: I'm nervous and don't know where else to go

#25

Yes, calm down. I wish someone could have told me that when I was an intern. Many times. If the upgrade blows up, it won't be your fault because you're just an intern. There are multiple people making way more money than you are who are responsible for running the company. If those people leave an intern in charge of a mission-critical system and it breaks, it's their fault. If you do end up in the soup and you're ab…

well i like soup but don't know that i want to be swimming in it XD

thanks for your advice, i think i have been trying to prove myself by spinning my wheels instead of taking a step back and evaluating the situations that get presented before me.

appreciate it again, hope you enjoy your weekend

Re: Tell HN: I'm nervous and don't know where else to go

#26
Honesty and transparency can be incredibly powerful. At a good workplace they will be valued. If your workplace is not a good one, better to find that out as soon as possible.

Talk to your boss if he is still around, or talk to your boss' boss if not.

Try to be open about your emotions. "I am feeling nervous about the Epicor upgrade". Paradoxically, you should confidently express what your anxieties are. Explain as much as you can about why: "I think I need more information to understand if this is something I can do, and what to do if something goes wrong".

If you are in a junior role and you're feeling like this, it's almost certainly not your fault. Your only responsibility is to speak up about how you're feeling. Realising this can be liberating.

Re: Tell HN: I'm nervous and don't know where else to go

#27
I've been in this kind of situation a fair amount.

Like everyone else says, breathe, and make sure there's visibility up your management chain. Make it clear you haven't been given the tools, and have full transparency when you talk to support. If I am reading this right, everyone - including the vendor - is going to try and nail you. Don't give them an in with dishonesty. You've done nothing wrong, and although it's heresy among techbros, not knowing some random computer thing isn't a moral failing.

Unfortunately I also agree with the point about the resume. This won't be the first time your org does this kind of thing. In fact, it might be the standard way they do everything. I've seen that movie before, too. You get lucky, you can even get lucky many times, and luck combined with ability can take you places. But eventually luck runs out, and the situation goes down that toxic orgs always want it go down: with you in the toilet. Then they can go back to fingering each other or whatever it is orgs like this do when they run out of competent staff.

Right now, I sort of have a gig like this, but it's a bit more informal, everyone having entered this with eyes open. I told them up front I have zero idea what I'm doing (front end dev), but they seemed alright with that, and I'm picking it up, albeit slowly (NgRx, that is). For my part, I wanted to learn this stuff anyway; functional programming has always been a giant blank spot in my know-how. It's not like my boss dropped down from heaven and said "Add these features to this strange codebase you've never seen before without talking to the developer" then disappeared.

Re: Tell HN: I'm nervous and don't know where else to go

#28
Monday might suck, but literally everyone in the company will blame your boss, not you. Who in the world goes on vacation the day a major upgrade is happening and leaves the intern in charge? I mean, no offense, but interns know nothing by design, they're there to learn how to be employees, that's the whole point. So you won't get fired if things go badly, but he might.

Re: Tell HN: I'm nervous and don't know where else to go

#29
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

i appreciate your candor. i think you may be right. in my current position, i feel at a loss. i think sometimes people, like me in this case, can feel almost indebted to a company that took a chance on them. i have no professional experience in this field and this was known at time of interview. i feel like i am not being utilized in a fashion where i could actually LEARN instead, but then again i struggle with my ow…

> i think sometimes people, like me in this case, can feel almost indebted to a company that took a chance on them What does giving you that chance cost them, versus you? If you fail, they'll likely fire you and move on to the next person. If you succeed, they will likely get credit for picking a good one, then they get to utilize you for years, potentially. During that time, they likely will make multiples of your s…

i think you're right and in my rambling i forget that i work for THEM and the company will always be concerened about THEM.

it has happened to me before. i think i am just feeling a bit... imposter-y. i have put my nose to the ground to get where i am, but i must bring my nose back up and assess before i get myself into a place i don't want to be.

thanks for the reminder.

Re: Tell HN: I'm nervous and don't know where else to go

#30
If you haven't received a login for Epicor, then if it doesn't work, I don't know that you're going to be able to do anything. So, you probably want to just think through what you're going to say, and to whom, if it blows up.

What you DON'T want to try to do, if it blows up (or seems to be), is some Hail Mary hack-in-somehow-and-try-to-save-the-day. If the update doesn't work and you weren't given the login, you have an eminently reasonable excuse for why you could not save the day.

On the other hand, if you somehow mess with things in a desperate attempt to fix it, and somehow make matters worse, you could be considered to have made a mistake.

Either way, if things blow up, you will have to go to your boss's boss and explain that you don't know how to fix it and don't have a login to attempt to do it even if you did. You will want to do this calmly and professionally, not going out of your way to make anyone else look worse (not that this would be necessary anyway, from the sound of it), but being clear about the actual situation.

Your boss apparently thinks this update is trivial, and will require nothing of you. Perhaps he is right. If he is not, then if you have not been prepared to troubleshoot you could easily make things worse, so be plain and clear about your inability to fix something you haven't been briefed on. They will have to either get hold of your boss, or else call the company who makes the software, and perhaps in that case they may be able to walk you through what to do. If not, don't pretend to knowledge you don't have.

Have a good weekend, you have done what you can do by voicing concern.

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