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Tell HN: Getting Ready for Unemployment

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Re: Tell HN: Getting Ready for Unemployment

#101
OK I'm not quite going to say 'snap out of it', but just note that you've at least identified a problem, and are asking for help, even if you're panicking. Maybe unnecessarily, maybe not. Well done.

Here's my 'worse off than me' story though.

I've been unemployed since about 6 months before covid, the company I was at folded. Actually covid was in some sense a blessing because at least everyone else was also stuck at home.

But here's the thing. I haven't applied for a single job since.

My last job was at a very small startup-cum-dev-shop at which I began to feel quite resentful getting a mere salary, as one of the first employees, building out the initial product/service, when the founder was banking significant profits. And simply programming, started to become a real chore, and gradually a challenge, very especially when we introduced scrum and all that 'observable, transparent working' crap which of course only works in one direction, workers are observed, bosses observe. Eventually our only customer cancelled, and everyone was 'let go'.

My tech 'currency' has stagnated in that time, while I've observed the rise of multiple-round algorithm-centered interviews (since when I joined that company ~10 years ago by word of mouth), etc, etc, and the whole scene has put me off even applying for actual jobs, on top of which, even if I were to land a programming job (seriously, when did a mere developer job become something so aspirational?), I'm not sure I can, or even want to do it as a job again, especially the whole scrum, standup, retrospective thing. Though I still love programming itself, and keep doing little projects for myself.

And here's the other thing. I have a bunch of kids, and only about 2 month's savings left. And I'm an oldie, approaching mid 50s.

So, not only are there people worse off than you, some of them have almost entirely self-inflicted their predicament. Imagine how that feels, and cheer up!

Re: Tell HN: Getting Ready for Unemployment

#102
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Expand beyond C/C++. I realized about halfway through my career that full time C/C++ work was diminishing and higher-level languages and frameworks were going to open up more jobs (they did). For me, this involved learning more web tech (python, javascript, UI dev) as well as Java. As a C++ dev you might want to also look into Rust as thats becoming more prevalent and popular these days. Hell, you should just apply t…

Are you sure? I have 10 years of C++ dev experience and I feel like a hot girl on tinder… have to constantly fend off recruiters. I have at least a an offer a week… I sometimes go through the interview just to stay sharp (I love my current workplace, been here for almost 8y and I am not planning to change anytime soon) and usually end up with an offer!

Re: Tell HN: Getting Ready for Unemployment

#103
When I stopped working as an Army IT contractor in Germany, I went months with few interviews. Heck, I got rejected from a low-paid PC repair job, likely because the interviewer gave me a quizzical look when I replied that my husband was an engineer, and upon my asking why he wanted to know, he stated that “a family father of three needs more money than a single guy.”

So I volunteered at an after-school program where I was essentially babysitting, just to be forced to leave the house for something other than grocery shopping.

Then I took a part-time job as an English teacher at a big chain of language schools. That forced me to a) dress professionally, b) be places on a schedule and c) talk to the public. One fantastic skill I gained from those three months is a heightened ability to parse meaning out of any speakers who have gone to the trouble of learning some of my language. On the surface, this job was “beneath” me (CS degree from competitive American university, paid a princely 13 EUR/hr), but I really think it re-launched my career.

Finally, I had a great interview with an IT temp agency, which soon placed me in the ok-paid role that was converted into the job I’ve now had for 11 years.

Point of this anecdote? Along with getting the professional help you deserve, a “menial” job that makes you deal with people and follow a schedule will help keep you/get you back into shape for a job more suited to your skills and likes.

Re: Tell HN: Getting Ready for Unemployment

#104

C/C++ dev here. Remember that it’s not the language that matters. The underlying programming concepts that you know, thanks to being a C/C++ programmer, are translatable to every other programming language. With the help of a search engine, you’ll realize that you already know how to express yourself in those languages quite proficiently. Memorizing syntax is not the same as knowing how to program. You already know h…

This!

Re: Tell HN: Getting Ready for Unemployment

#106

You're desperate. That's good. Desperation built this world. It's the number one motivator of life. Desperation mixed with insecurity can seem like depression, but if you're really depressed, out of money and with limited prospects. It's time to go ask someone for help. Alternative ideas: Can you make money on bug bounties? Can you apply to local universities for tutoring? Can you do some gig work just to chip away a…

> You're desperate. That's good. > Desperation built this world. It's the number one motivator of life. I am fairly skeptical of the claim that "desperation built this world" as a rationalization for why desperation is good. Human actions built this world. Desperation may or may not be a motivator for actions, but if it is, it does not even seem to be the main motivator. Humans also build things because they want to…

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Re: Tell HN: Getting Ready for Unemployment

#107

You're desperate. That's good. Desperation built this world. It's the number one motivator of life. Desperation mixed with insecurity can seem like depression, but if you're really depressed, out of money and with limited prospects. It's time to go ask someone for help. Alternative ideas: Can you make money on bug bounties? Can you apply to local universities for tutoring? Can you do some gig work just to chip away a…

> You're desperate. That's good. > Desperation built this world. It's the number one motivator of life. I am fairly skeptical of the claim that "desperation built this world" as a rationalization for why desperation is good. Human actions built this world. Desperation may or may not be a motivator for actions, but if it is, it does not even seem to be the main motivator. Humans also build things because they want to…

You don't understand because privilege built your world. I guarantee it.

Re: Tell HN: Getting Ready for Unemployment

#108
I wouldn’t blame the economy. I would honestly try skilling up. If you can do c++ you can do other development work.

Try improving your portfolio and practice interview problems (I know they suck but it is a big part of interviewing in most places).

Re: Tell HN: Getting Ready for Unemployment

#109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spamming out CVs to companies advertising on HN might be a rational strategy if you work in a popular field like web development and live in the US. It might get you nowhere fast if say you work in a more specialised programming field and live in Europe, where there are serious economic problems, we're asking genuine questions about whether we will have reliable power supplies for everyone throughout the coming winte…

> where there are serious economic problems, we're asking genuine questions about whether we will have reliable power supplies for everyone throughout the coming winter, there is an actual shooting war happening, and some countries are dealing with big political changes and the accompanying uncertainty. I'll give you that, things look bad right now, but unless it's a near societal collapse then you still need to go o…

I'll give you that, things look bad right now, but unless it's a near societal collapse then you still need to go out and put food on the table.

Again, there is an actual shooting war going on in Europe, which OP alluded to in their submission. I have worked with people from Ukraine in previous tech jobs. I expect some or all those people are currently doing something very different.

Here in the UK and over a single weekend my company went from holding active discussions with a few prospective clients to almost every proposal being suspended for review because of the infamous "mini-budget" a few weeks ago. If we'd been a little further along and maybe setting up new hires for any of the other projects then those jobs would instantly have disappeared too. There must be many other companies here that have been dealing with the same uncertainty and its chilling effects.

Of course people still need to go out and earn a living unless there really are more urgent things they need to do. My point is that there are plenty of reasons other than OP's qualifications or resume why the job market where they are might be much tougher than one where you can expect a 10-20% response rate just from spamming out CVs.

Re: Tell HN: Getting Ready for Unemployment

#110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You're desperate. That's good. > Desperation built this world. It's the number one motivator of life. I am fairly skeptical of the claim that "desperation built this world" as a rationalization for why desperation is good. Human actions built this world. Desperation may or may not be a motivator for actions, but if it is, it does not even seem to be the main motivator. Humans also build things because they want to…

You don't understand because privilege built your world. I guarantee it.

> I guarantee it.

You don't know me, you don't know my life, you don't know what I've been through. The fact that someone has been through bad situations doesn't in itself make them better than others. Being desperate is not a good thing, it's not something to be sought or celebrated - it is something that just happens to you, and it simply sucks. Nothing more, nothing less.

Perhaps you've grew up in a privileged environment and don't know what real desperation is. I can't think of any other reason why you would view it with such rose-tinted glasses. Desperation is so cool and productive when it happens to others, eh?

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