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How many times are you going to repost this on an article about Google? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33102761
Project Starline expands testing through an early access program
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Meet is pretty dang solid, and is pretty much exclusively used for “work” or anything related to a calendar invite. The rest of their video chat seems to be reserved for P2P/personal communications.
> Meet is pretty dang solid It’s being whooped by Teams and Zoom, latecomers, in no small part because Google can’t help but rename it every six months.
Zoom’s stock is down 86% from ATH. They’re hardly thriving.
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I apologize if this comes off as aggressive, but all four of your points are totally wrong and I am sick of seeing these ideas parroted all over HN. 1. Google does not have a solid track record of killing things. IF you actually go through the list of all the "products" Google has "killed", you find that 95% of them are just consolidated into other areas of the Google product stack. Stadia was a herculean undertaking…
1. Stadia wasn't even first to market. Multiple startups have a better product. 2. G-Suite did well because it was free and had a good collaboration model. It has stagnated, and things like search and folder navigation are hilariously bad. Quip has innovated much more in this space in recent years. 3. If they rolled old chat into new chat, it put my buddy list somewhere, and didn't just delete it without prompting, r…
What startups had better products than Stadia?
No company of any size has lapped Waymo. Waymo is the industry leader by a long shot.
Re: Project Starline expands testing through an early access program
#144This is sad because this is a brilliant enterprise product from a company that has few of the fundamentals required to sell it into the enterprise.
They sell Google Workspace pretty well.
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#145> enterprise partners such as Salesforce, WeWork I see this as a negative and not a positive. I have very little to no desire to ever spend money with either of those or have involvement with things that they make extensive use of.
So? They're talking about their employees testing it out internally. It has nothing to do with you.
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If this were from a startup, no one would be saying the same, but because it is Google, folks want to ride the bandwagon. Microsoft has cancelled thousands of products, but nobody says a thing. Yet the number of hardware products Google has cancelled you can count on 1 hand.
if you have a hand with 21 fingers https://killedbygoogle.com Filter Graveyard List Hardware (21)
That list is so bad it is disingenuous. Because Google chooses to stop making a device doesn't mean it is "killed".
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
If this were from a startup, no one would be saying the same, but because it is Google, folks want to ride the bandwagon. Microsoft has cancelled thousands of products, but nobody says a thing. Yet the number of hardware products Google has cancelled you can count on 1 hand.
Maybe because Google has made "create a thing and kill it off because it doesn't push the needle, instead of spinning it off to its own company" is their literal modus operandus? If a random startup had made this: cool! It might actually stay in business because pushing their needle doesn't require making at least 30 million a year from the get-go.
You're confusing free "products" that Google puts online with actual for-money items.
The vast majority of startups' products fail, especially in the hardware realm. I'd pick a Google hardware product to live a lot longer than a random startup's.
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#148Most of the comments here are just complaining Google is going to cancel this, but I think Google should cancel this because it doesn't seem like a good product. They're not a hardware company and no matter how many people want a cool telepresence box, how many of those people want to pay Google employee prices for its maintenance? It seems like they came up with it for fun, but maybe they should just sell it to Cisc…
Based on the comments here, the heavy lifting is done in software. If it takes off, I fully expect Google to start licensing it out the way they do much of their hardware (Chromebooks, Android, etc).
Chromebook and Android are general-purpose computers that can be used to go on the internet so you can see an ad.
This appears to be a way of doing especially immersive video calls; I'm not sure what the ecosystem for it is, unless you believe in metaverses.
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#149On the bottom of the video clips, it says: "Not authorized by FCC rules. No sales or leases permitted until authorized." What is that about? I've never seen it before, and I've seen a lot of stuff. Are they required to print that by some rule I'm unfamiliar with?
Before electronics can be sold in the US, the go through testing to prove it doesn't create electromagnetic interference. Those rules are set by the FCC. Some uses (e.g. R&D prototypes) are exempted. This is Google's legal team covering their asses by making it clear these are prototypes. There's every reason to assume these will pass the tests, but there's no reason to do so until you have the hardware pretty locked…
Yeah but if they're not currently for sale, and there's no pre-order button, then no need for a disclaimer?
Why would you have to disclaim things that you aren't taking orders for? Hobby projects, prototypes, etc?
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#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
Before electronics can be sold in the US, the go through testing to prove it doesn't create electromagnetic interference. Those rules are set by the FCC. Some uses (e.g. R&D prototypes) are exempted. This is Google's legal team covering their asses by making it clear these are prototypes. There's every reason to assume these will pass the tests, but there's no reason to do so until you have the hardware pretty locked…
Yeah but if they're not currently for sale, and there's no pre-order button, then no need for a disclaimer? Why would you have to disclaim things that you aren't taking orders for? Hobby projects, prototypes, etc?
Because when you are Google-scale you have a big legal department whose job is to make sure that people obey the laws like this. I'm sure if it was a garage startup, no disclaimer would be there. But Google wants to make sure that they are protected by making it clear no employee can loan it to a friend, etc. And there are rules set up so when that label is no longer applied, then the appropriate people have signed off on it.