Six Days without Food: Hacking Your Mind to Make Do with Far Less • Hacker News Board

Re: Six Days without Food: Hacking Your Mind to Make Do with Far Less

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Post by ebbv » Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 1:25 PM UTC

fingerprinter wrote: post #14

I'm going to jump right into the idea of fasting for 6 days and the unfortunate reality that most people in our field(s) don't. 1. know how to lose weight (really) 2. know how to eat 3. know how to workout Here, if you want to try fasting, which I do recommend, give this a shot. http://www.leangains.com/ or do the Warrior diet (one huge meal a day). A 16/8 fast is great. Heck, I sometimes even do an eat-stop-eat way…

Your advice to workout hard and short instead of cardio is wrong. Working out at all is better than not working out. But cardio exercise (e.g. running and/or biking) for sustained periods of time will burn much more calories.

And that's what weight loss is all about. Calories in vs. calories out.

I speak from not only the obvious facts but also experience, I lost over 100lbs from January 2009 to July 2010 and got healthy in the process.

Re: Six Days without Food: Hacking Your Mind to Make Do with Far Less

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Post by tptacek » Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 1:26 PM UTC

dextorious wrote: post #28

tptacek wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm about as serious a high-quality protein advocate as probably exists in the leaderboard for this site (neither "organic" nor "grassfed" are particularly important adjectives for me, so much as "local" and "humane"), and I do not understand what this has to do with diet and weight loss. Do you actually believe you're more likely to lose weight eating organic protein?

"""Do you actually believe you're more likely to lose weight eating organic protein?""" You are more likely to remain healthy while losing weight eating organic protein.

Do you really believe that? Maybe the antibiotics in the chicken --- although truly healthy chicken is spectacularly expensive, and even products labeled "organic" can still be flooded with antibiotics "to prevent disease outbreaks" which are inevitable in factory farms.

Other than antibiotics, I generally call BS on the health benefits of "organic" and "grass fed" protein. You should eat organic --- or, VERY preferably, local --- but you should do it (a) because it tastes better, (b) to support local family farming, and (c) because it's more humane. Not because of some supposed health benefit.

Re: Six Days without Food: Hacking Your Mind to Make Do with Far Less

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Post by z0r » Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 1:39 PM UTC

ebbv wrote: post #31

fingerprinter wrote: post #14

I'm going to jump right into the idea of fasting for 6 days and the unfortunate reality that most people in our field(s) don't. 1. know how to lose weight (really) 2. know how to eat 3. know how to workout Here, if you want to try fasting, which I do recommend, give this a shot. http://www.leangains.com/ or do the Warrior diet (one huge meal a day). A 16/8 fast is great. Heck, I sometimes even do an eat-stop-eat way…

Your advice to workout hard and short instead of cardio is wrong. Working out at all is better than not working out. But cardio exercise (e.g. running and/or biking) for sustained periods of time will burn much more calories. And that's what weight loss is all about. Calories in vs. calories out. I speak from not only the obvious facts but also experience, I lost over 100lbs from January 2009 to July 2010 and got hea…

http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1526539

Summary: resistance training is most effective, then interval training (high intensity and lower intensity), and then steady state high intensity cardio training, and finally least effective steady state low intensity cardio training.

Re: Six Days without Food: Hacking Your Mind to Make Do with Far Less

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Post by khafra » Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 1:40 PM UTC

nodata wrote: post #4

Fasting is really bad for you. Does fasting even count as hacking?

> Fasting is really bad for you.

Do you have any data on that? Many nutritionists and healthy people are big fans of intermittent fasts.

Re: Six Days without Food: Hacking Your Mind to Make Do with Far Less

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Post by dextorious » Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 1:57 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #32

dextorious wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"""Do you actually believe you're more likely to lose weight eating organic protein?""" You are more likely to remain healthy while losing weight eating organic protein.

Do you really believe that? Maybe the antibiotics in the chicken --- although truly healthy chicken is spectacularly expensive, and even products labeled "organic" can still be flooded with antibiotics "to prevent disease outbreaks" which are inevitable in factory farms. Other than antibiotics, I generally call BS on the health benefits of "organic" and "grass fed" protein. You should eat organic --- or, VERY prefera…

Do you think

a) chicken fed not with grass/organic food but with whatever's cheaper and convenient (in Europe there were several scandals where they even found that they used machine oil in chicken feed),

b) packed by the thousands in small cages,

c) full off antibiotics and hormones to grow them fatter,

are totally as healthy as organic chicken?

(I used to have a chicken den (sp?), with 10-15 chickens in my backyard (in Europe, that is), raising them organic style. I have also visited a couple of huge chicken "factories". I'd never even begin to compare the two methods, much less the quality of their output.)

Re: Six Days without Food: Hacking Your Mind to Make Do with Far Less

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Post by stevengg » Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 2:01 PM UTC

fingerprinter wrote: post #14

I'm going to jump right into the idea of fasting for 6 days and the unfortunate reality that most people in our field(s) don't. 1. know how to lose weight (really) 2. know how to eat 3. know how to workout Here, if you want to try fasting, which I do recommend, give this a shot. http://www.leangains.com/ or do the Warrior diet (one huge meal a day). A 16/8 fast is great. Heck, I sometimes even do an eat-stop-eat way…

mark rippetoe of starting strength fame did an AMA on r/fitness yesterday. http://www.reddit.com/r/Fitness/comments/n13d8/i_am_mark_rip...

Re: Six Days without Food: Hacking Your Mind to Make Do with Far Less

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Post by wavephorm » Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 2:02 PM UTC

fingerprinter wrote: post #14

I'm going to jump right into the idea of fasting for 6 days and the unfortunate reality that most people in our field(s) don't. 1. know how to lose weight (really) 2. know how to eat 3. know how to workout Here, if you want to try fasting, which I do recommend, give this a shot. http://www.leangains.com/ or do the Warrior diet (one huge meal a day). A 16/8 fast is great. Heck, I sometimes even do an eat-stop-eat way…

  every meal has protein

Contrary to popular belief, meat doesn't need to be eaten with every meal. The idea that humans require huge amounts of protein is a popular day myth. Vegetables do contain protein, even an average potato has 3g protein. Almost universally, everyone who is overweight eats entirely too much meat and dairy.

Re: Six Days without Food: Hacking Your Mind to Make Do with Far Less

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Post by GiraffeNecktie » Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 2:06 PM UTC

maeon3 wrote: post #18

If you fast, when you stop fasting you will gain 20 pounds because your brain and body will be in "famine mode" and you will store everything to fat. Go ahead and try it. I've been hovering around 155 to 160 my whole life, that is until the day I fasted for about 2 1/2 days, at which point I immediately started gaining weight after. It's been a daily battle since to not overeat. My subconscious mind says: "Eat, consu…

A long time ago I tried fasting for ten days on nothing more than water with a little lemon juice and cayenne (the plan was courtesy of a stupid book). After ten days, when I was ready to break my fast all nice and slow, I happened to pass by some fresh baked apple pie, which smelled like the best apple pie I'd ever smelled in my life. What do you think happened?

Re: Six Days without Food: Hacking Your Mind to Make Do with Far Less

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 2:08 PM UTC

dextorious wrote: post #35

tptacek wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you really believe that? Maybe the antibiotics in the chicken --- although truly healthy chicken is spectacularly expensive, and even products labeled "organic" can still be flooded with antibiotics "to prevent disease outbreaks" which are inevitable in factory farms. Other than antibiotics, I generally call BS on the health benefits of "organic" and "grass fed" protein. You should eat organic --- or, VERY prefera…

Do you think a) chicken fed not with grass/organic food but with whatever's cheaper and convenient (in Europe there were several scandals where they even found that they used machine oil in chicken feed), b) packed by the thousands in small cages, c) full off antibiotics and hormones to grow them fatter, are totally as healthy as organic chicken? (I used to have a chicken den (sp?), with 10-15 chickens in my backyard…

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Re: Six Days without Food: Hacking Your Mind to Make Do with Far Less

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Post by einhverfr » Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 2:16 PM UTC

Reading this blog I was reminded of Epicurius's statements (According to Cicero) about the impact of fasting on smell and taste (largely exactly what are described in that blog posting).