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Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

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Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

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Usually I just find the conversation from the chronological list... Bingo.

Theoretically couldn't an Android app be built using notification access to track notification history and coalate messaging notifications (combining notifications from all/selected/configured) messaging apps? That sort of a "messaging hub" could be even better, frankly.

You'd expect one app to have read access to the notifications of all others?

Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

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I agree completely here. This is terrible news from my perspective too. I use Signal for _all messaging_ (e2e secure or not) for the reasons that you mention. I've onboarded friends and family, too, ensuring them it should be set as their default messaging app and that it _just works_. Unfortunately, people in the general population seem to have pretty much zero tolerance for any friction whatsoever. If they have to…

If they have to use 2 apps, they'll just end up communicating with me in the clear using their "default SMS" app on their phone. That's what this is going to result it...a reduction in overall message security due to people defaulting to what's easier...which is to _not_ have to remember which app to use for which "send a message" purpose. Fuck. Exactly right. In fact, I will be doing this too. Right now, I use Signa…

I use both Signal and SMS on my phone (iOS) and don’t find it to be that cumbersome to deal with. I already have to use multiple apps anyway to communicate with everyone I need to (Slack, some people are only on Telegram, WhatsApp, WeChat so I have to have those apps too). I default to SMS but if it’s a conversation where I care about privacy I’ll use Signal.

Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

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If I understand correctly, the Matrix encryption and message format is not compatible to other protocols so all messages must be decrypted and converted on the homeserver which runs the bridge.

The bridge and the home server are separate things. So if you run the home server somewhere untrusted, but the bridge in your home with E2EE enabled, the decryption AFAIK happens in the bridge, and the home server doesn't see anything.

I doubt many users will host their own bridge. Also at least for XMPP I was not able to encrypt messages to Matrix users end-to-end or bridge-to-end, so I'd still recommend using XMPP with E2EE directly.

Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

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They are enabling the ability to export SMS from signal now: https://community.signalusers.org/t/beta-feedback-for-the-up...

Confirmed. Turned on the beta program and exported ~1000 text messages over to Google Messages. Settings->Chats->SMS and MMS->Export. Involves changing the default app for SMS between Signal and Google Messages.

I can't fathom the cognitive dissonance of Signal community leaders actually suggesting their Android users to migrate to Google Messages. We're going from a best-in-class privacy app to an app best known for it's vendor's data hoarding. All because they think we should have the same sub-par SMS UX that iOS users are subjected to...

Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

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I completely disagree and am disappointed in this decision. One app on my phone to handle all my messages is easier than making a context switch per-contact. I also think it'll hurt the value proposition when getting people to join signal. Not overcomplicating the messaging scenario was a big winner to do that.

> all my messages is easier than making a context switch per-contact A user already has: - WhatsApp - Telegram - Facebook Messanger - Instagram that has direct messages - the good old email, or better, many of them - Microsoft Teams for company communications - Discord for communications with group of friends - the old SMS (that I didn't even know that in some parts of the world were still used, since I receive them…

This does not represent all users. My family has boomers who literally use just Signal (for 80% SMS) and FB Messenger. For many people, less apps is an important feature.

Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

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Theoretically couldn't an Android app be built using notification access to track notification history and coalate messaging notifications (combining notifications from all/selected/configured) messaging apps? That sort of a "messaging hub" could be even better, frankly.

You'd expect one app to have read access to the notifications of all others?

If I grant it notification access permissions.

My launcher (Niagara) does that already to display notifications in popups connected to app icons.

Notification processing is one of Android's greatest features over iOS.

Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

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The bridge and the home server are separate things. So if you run the home server somewhere untrusted, but the bridge in your home with E2EE enabled, the decryption AFAIK happens in the bridge, and the home server doesn't see anything.

I doubt many users will host their own bridge. Also at least for XMPP I was not able to encrypt messages to Matrix users end-to-end or bridge-to-end, so I'd still recommend using XMPP with E2EE directly.

Of course, its not going to be perfect like being on the same platform.

But its definitely better than falling back to SMS and maybe better than having all chat apps installed.

(Even though I still think Element isn't good enough)

Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

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post #529

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I've run into a related problem: I have (iOS-using) friends I have convinced to register their numbers with Signal...but they never check Signal. They do check SMS. This actually drove me away from using Signal for SMS on Android, because I couldn't send those friends SMS messages through Signal. They could only go out as Signal messages, and my friends never checked them. Fortunately, I only have a handful of friend…

You can send those people SMS through Signal (for now!) by holding down the send button for a moment - it opens out to let you choose "Insecure SMS".

Man, this would have been great to know a year ago!

Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

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People often complain about the alert that you get when one of your contacts joins Signal but this is exactly what that attempts to solve

There was a time when contacts that use Signal were listed above contacts that are only reachable through SMS. Those two groups of contacts then got mixed making it much harder to see who's on Signal and who isn't. Back then I thought that was deliberate. It would be surprising to me, if the desire to avoid that self-inflicted confusion would have contributed to the decision to discontinue SMS support.

If I click the new message button I only see Signal contacts.

Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

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Signal is in a weird place where they can do no right by users. It's a team of like 25 developers building extremely complex software criticized by people that don't understand security and trivialize everything. Reddit has a lot of evangelists that can't even program. Their community forums are a dumpster fire where users act like "my way or the world is going to end" (see the current username discussion. Most peopl…

Pretending like Signal is the second coming of Christ and implying that Telegram and all else is insecure and for dumb idiots and may have had something to do with it

That's far from what is happening. Everyone is complaining about Signal, including me.

Telegram gets a lot of shit because they prop themselves up as a privacy app but aren't. The default is that things are not encrypted. They use a proprietary encryption scheme. They store user data on their servers. These are not the marks of a privacy app.

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