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87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by jackvalentine »

Someone wrote: post #698
idle_zealot wrote: post #299

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It's not just a trivial difference in bubble color. SMS conversations in iMessage lose features. The social rejection is a result of the features lost when an Android user participates in a messaging group.

And the alternative is that they wouldn’t be able to participate at all. In the end, I think the social rejection isn’t Apple to blame for. We don’t blame clothing brands for enabling kids to discern who wears ‘the real thing’ and who hasn’t, either. Or do we want to blame Apple for trying to improve SMS for their users without going through a lengthy standards process? They were a small player at the time in the pho…

> They were a small player at the time in the phone market, so they couldn’t expect an iPhone-only solution to succeed, and writing an app wasn’t really a thing yet, so they couldn’t have gone the route WhatsApp later took, so what could they have done instead?

Mate, iMessage debuted in 2011 - 2 years after Whatsapp appeared on the platform.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by ThunderSizzle »

viraptor wrote: post #643
conductr wrote: post #632

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As I said, everyone I know is on apple so no I don’t notice the difference. I have seen a couple occasional when non Apple users are on a group text and it breaks some things. I can totally see how teens are judging each other on this. They’re judgmental creatures in search of social cues to judge you on. Having android is analogous to wearing cheap Walmart clothes in my day. You’re social clout takes a huge hit. I g…

To be best, I don't believe this: > We will however absolutely refuse to use whatever app you ask us to if we’re am not using it already. First, because there's a first you use every app. Second, because if you do chat with someone without imessage regularly, you'll want to upgrade to something. If you refuse because of tech... you didn't care enough about that person to begin with.

> If you refuse because of tech... you didn't care enough about that person to begin with.

This has been every iPhone user I've ever found. I've been willing to use any messaging system and have tried many. But not a single iPhone user I know uses anything other than iMessage. And they blame me.

Welcome to adulthood. Adults can be just as stupid, hypocritical, uncaring, and ruthless as anyone else.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by Markoff »

Avamander wrote: post #701
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What sucks about Xiaomi 12/12X or Pixel 6A for instance? S22 would be also nice phone if it were not for not so great battery life (and most of the people won't notice slow shutter). There are plenty of great phones depending on what's your requirements, now if you want SMALL Android phone you have very limited options with lots of compromises usually, if you don't care about size too much there are plenty of good op…

> What sucks about Xiaomi 12/12X [...] Does that Xiaomi model come without ads? The fact that I even have to ask that is an indicator on its own. > What sucks about [...] Pixel 6A for instance? But what's better? The price is pretty much the same.

Yes, there are no ads in Xiaomi phones, nobody force you to use preinstalled Xiaomi apps and there are no ads if you pay attention during setup and don't just click Next but read what's shown on screen.

Brand new iPhone cost 380EUR without any plan same as 6A? Provide please link, I will make tons of money reselling them, thank you.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by distances »

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Not in most European or African countries, majority is on pre-paid, and phones only get replaced when there is an actual reason, not that two years have gone by.

~80 % market share for contracts (post-paid) in Germany: https://www.statista.com/topics/7772/mobile-communications-i...

Like the others say, I too have a post-paid without a phone. I personally don't know anyone with a bundled phone, because why would you do that? I pay 8€ per month and change the phone whenever I want.

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Post by lopis »

abigail95 wrote: post #675
bmitc wrote: post #57

I have never understood the arguments that Apple doesn't have a monopoly or monopolies and thus should get away with all the anti-trust violations they get away with. They definitely have monopolies when it comes to market power and influence, even if Android phones (which are split across several manufacturers) have a larger worldwide market share.

You're allowed to make a messaging app that doesn't interop with others. Is the point you're making that that Apple shouldn't be allowed to release its own messaging app? What's the anti-trust violation here?

When you are the gatekeeper to the biggest mobile market, the rules are different for you.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by quadrifoliate »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #240
rsync wrote: post #2

My two oldest children - 13 and 15 - have loudly proclaimed that having a "green bubble" would be worse than death .

I know the "green vs blue bubbles" gets a lot of press, but as someone who is not a teenager, and on the contrary is considerably past middle age at this point, that is not the real reason iMessage has a stranglehold on users. I've got an Android, and I recently went on a vacation with a group of friends who all had iPhones. I did feel a bit like a leper in the group chat we had set up for our vacation, and it wasn't…

> At the end of the vacation my good friend said flat out (jokingly, but still with a point) "Dammit hn_throwaway_99, just get an iPhone".

My friend groups mostly communicate on WhatsApp (a lot of them are either international, or Americans with significant overseas travel). This is the first time I have ever been glad to be a WhatsApp user. Oh, and messages, photos, and emoji reaction show up just fine cross-platform.

Asking a friend to get a $xxxx device because the company you use is unwilling to make their silly messaging application cross-platform is extremely out of date.

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Post by kaba0 »

heavyset_go wrote: post #24
rsync wrote: post #2

My two oldest children - 13 and 15 - have loudly proclaimed that having a "green bubble" would be worse than death .

We like to fingerwag at social media companies for knowingly negatively impacting children's mental health and self-esteem, yet Apple is aware of how their systems ostracize children, in their own peer groups, who can't afford to carry around luxury phones. It's one thing to be ostracized by strangers on social media, it's an entirely other thing to be ostracized by your own friends and peers. The latter is tragicall…

Well, just use any of the litany of messenger programs out there that are available on every platform? I know there is a huge network effect, but I don’t think it is fair to blame apple here — they ought to somehow show whether a message goes from your SMS budget vs mobile data one.

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Post by ksec »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #153
eatsyourtacos wrote: post #116

I hate apple with a passion for not opening up iMessage, but here we are. That being said, I am getting my first iPhone in just a few days because I am sick of the 100000 choices between android phones that all suck in one way or another. I don't believe they will last more than a few years if my last samsung is any indication. And I don't give a crap about what android can do- I just want a phone that works. So I gu…

I see this a lot around here. HN user hates company with a passion but buys their products rather than deal with some minor annoyance. I guess you don't hate Apple with a passion then.

Had their been a third choice. Something not Android or iOS and may be preferably not American ( or Silicon Valley ) I would have switched.

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Post by throwaway894345 »

alphabetting wrote: post #276
throwaway894345 wrote: post #230

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Whoa, that’s great to hear. My Android-user friend said otherwise, but maybe she was misinformed or I misunderstood or something.

Maybe an old version of android but this has what it's look like on Google Messages. Think it changed sometime in the past year. https://i.imgur.com/GYHMkHy.png

Yeah, this was based on a months-old conversation, so I wouldn't be surprised if the feature just hadn't shipped yet or some such.
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