Alex Jones told to pay $965M damages to Sandy Hook victims' families • Hacker News Board

Re: Alex Jones told to pay $965M damages to Sandy Hook victims' families

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Post by hunterb123 » Thu, Oct 13, 2022, 8:07 AM UTC

jacobolus wrote: post #590

hunterb123 wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Asserting one's opinion is speculating. Personally I don't see how you can say he knew it to be false given his reputation as a conspiracy theorist. You can't both think he is crazy and think that he knew it to be false, that would assume he is rational. Hanlon's razor and all that.

So in other words, only people with a reputation for integrity should have to abide by the law, and as long as someone is a known pathological liar, they should be allowed to defame and send armies of trolls to harass anyone they feel like, whenever and as often as they like?

That's a bad faith interpretation and nowhere near what I said.

To prove that he slandered them you have to prove that he knew it was false.

If someone truly believes what they are saying, it's not defamation.

What I'm saying is his record and his attitude all indicated he truly believed it, imo.

The same people calling him crazy / a conspiracy theorist are saying he did it with malice / intent.

Those are contradicting beliefs.

Re: Alex Jones told to pay $965M damages to Sandy Hook victims' families

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Post by hunterb123 » Thu, Oct 13, 2022, 8:13 AM UTC

cykros wrote: post #633

dukeofdoom wrote: post #629

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Was he awarded billions? That's a very damaging allegation. Considering he's not in jail, he must have been innocent.

You can be acquitted without being innocent. See OJ.

So since OJ got off you assume everyone acquitted may still be guilty?

That's a great system you got there.

Re: Alex Jones told to pay $965M damages to Sandy Hook victims' families

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Post by account42 » Thu, Oct 13, 2022, 8:25 AM UTC

thwayunion wrote: post #626

sdtriton wrote: post #228

The people who released opioids upon the American public didn't get fines like this. Insane

The fines for opioid producers and various enablers are in excess of $26 billion and still counting. Not nearly enough, mind you, but still -- much higher than the amount being discussed here. There are also two important distinctions: 1. The American court system is inherently adversarial and judges/juries have a lot of discretion. The strategy employed by the defense does matter and a bad strategy can be expensive.…

> The fines for opioid producers and various enablers are in excess of $26 billion and still counting.

Note that gp said "people who released opioids upon the American public". How much of those $26 billion fines are towards individuals that profited from those opioids rather than some fictional entity that can just be re-created as needed.

Re: Alex Jones told to pay $965M damages to Sandy Hook victims' families

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Post by Ekaros » Thu, Oct 13, 2022, 8:27 AM UTC

Just goes to show how insanely corrupt and broken the justice system in USA is. That sort of money has in no way anything to do with reality.

Re: Alex Jones told to pay $965M damages to Sandy Hook victims' families

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Post by Ekaros » Thu, Oct 13, 2022, 8:30 AM UTC

Overtonwindow wrote: post #10

I think that is grossly excessive.

By like factor of million or hundred million. Just goes to show that justice system there is utterly broken and the juries are useless or malicious.

Re: Alex Jones told to pay $965M damages to Sandy Hook victims' families

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Post by Ekaros » Thu, Oct 13, 2022, 8:31 AM UTC

timbit42 wrote: post #356

guywithahat wrote: post #262

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The argument is that his supporters harassed sandy hook victims, to my knowledge nobody was hurt and certainly nobody died from the harassment. If this isn't enough, what would be enough? And what would be appropriate compensation if he had encouraged violence against them/etc?

No one was physically hurt but they were certainly hurt psychologically and financially.

Financially hurt to tune of 965 million? Did they really absolutely prove that?

Re: Alex Jones told to pay $965M damages to Sandy Hook victims' families

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Post by Ekaros » Thu, Oct 13, 2022, 8:32 AM UTC

P0l83q4p1Hw3Ul wrote: post #57

Why not $965B?

Or 965 trillion, make him pay for all the debt...

Re: Alex Jones told to pay $965M damages to Sandy Hook victims' families

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Post by Ekaros » Thu, Oct 13, 2022, 8:32 AM UTC

dolfine wrote: post #378

Now let’s sue every politician and newscaster who defamed Trump

Or anyone who called anyone not member of National Socialist party nazi, I think that should be at least a billion a pop if not more.

Re: Alex Jones told to pay $965M damages to Sandy Hook victims' families

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Post by Ekaros » Thu, Oct 13, 2022, 8:38 AM UTC

wara23arish wrote: post #90

badwolf wrote: post #65

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He caused his fans to harass families of murdered children for years, several had to move, some multiple times. All the while Alex Jones was raking in millions in cash off it.

shouldn’t the harassers be tried ?

Yes, they should, but as they are evil they took the bigger and easier target.

Re: Alex Jones told to pay $965M damages to Sandy Hook victims' families

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Post by Ekaros » Thu, Oct 13, 2022, 8:40 AM UTC

miked85 wrote: post #25

He will never possibly be able to pay this amount. It's just theater and will never happen.

I think he might just move to some civilised country from that sort of third world nation with kangaroo courts... Only sensible choice to do.