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Re: Intel plans thousands of job cuts in face of PC slowdown

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Post by sundvor »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #389
kmeisthax wrote: post #372

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Traditionally nobody, but the massive power consumption of the RTX 4090 combined with a power-hungry CPU might make people take notice. When your desktop needs a dedicated circuit you have a problem.

My microwave uses 1200 or 1500 watts and does not need a dedicated circuit. Sure, I don’t run it continuously for an hour, but that has nothing to do with whether or not it needs a dedicated circuit.

A 16A circuit allows for 3.8kW or something like that @ 240v.

With these ludicrous power requirements, you may in fact need to rethink how you use your power. E.g. if on same as a non-heat pump drier, you'd have to make a choice between gaming and drying clothes.

Having said that I saw a reference to a 4090 offering 95% of the perf at 60% of the power usage if undervolted, so that becomes an attractive option now.

I absolutely love my 5800X3D's insanely low power usage (insane = performance per watt for gaming in simulator titles where it runs circles around Intel).

Re: Intel plans thousands of job cuts in face of PC slowdown

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Post by avereveard »

sundvor wrote: post #409
gtirloni wrote: post #351

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Who cares what a desktop processor plugged to a wall outlet consumes? Seriously, if you care about power consumption, don't buy a K processor.

When a 5800X3D offers equal or better gaming performance at 1/2 to 1/3rd the power consumption (e.g. 220w vs 80w), and you pay $0.65 per kW/h during peak times, I can only imagine: "Quite a few".

50$/year vs 18$/year for a pc that's always on, not exactly life changing.

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Post by hnick »

tehnub wrote: post #120
gspencley wrote: post #46

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I don't know a lot of the details, but everything I've heard over the last couple of years indicated that AMD was absolutely crushing Intel. A recent laptop I purchased, as well as the last desktop I put together (~2 years ago) each have Ryzen chips. I forget the details but in addition to performance issues, didn't Intel CPUs also have some major security vulnerabilities? And was it that they were related to instruc…

I don't have any data, but from word of mouth and variously seeing posts and videos online, 12th gen Intel CPUs seem pretty popular for gaming builds. They're winning in benchmarks against 50 series AMD (as they should, being newer), but are also cheaper. I'll be curious to see how 13th gen Intel vs. 70 series AMD plays out. There are always complicating factors, such as motherboards for 70 series AMD being quite pri…

I was looking for a laptop for work and decent gaming, I went with an Intel NUC. Everything pointed to Ryzen being far better in most aspects - power, weight, height, and importantly battery life - however for the price point I was looking at, the faux-no-brand Intel with the 3060 was better even if it seems the chips do lag behind for similar generations.

Re: Intel plans thousands of job cuts in face of PC slowdown

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Post by smokel »

avereveard wrote: post #412
sundvor wrote: post #409

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When a 5800X3D offers equal or better gaming performance at 1/2 to 1/3rd the power consumption (e.g. 220w vs 80w), and you pay $0.65 per kW/h during peak times, I can only imagine: "Quite a few".

50$/year vs 18$/year for a pc that's always on, not exactly life changing.

The difference is closer to $1250/year vs $450/year. I suppose you forgot to multiply by 24 hours/day.

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Post by Cloudef »

AareyBaba wrote: post #332
giantg2 wrote: post #295

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Yeah, but isn't their one year forecast much lower? Not to mention they have a bigger lercentage of business in areas other than PC CPUs, right?

Client/Consumer CPUs(Ryzen) is just one business for AMD. The others are graphics (Radeon), datacenter (EPYC), and embedded (Xilinx, PS & Xbox consoles). The one year forecast will probably have to be adjusted based on current unexpected economic conditions but they will keep growing. What folks don't appreciate is that AMD is on a roll. A clear roadmap and processes in place to execute like clockwork in tandem with…

This, AMD's CPUs are better than ever. Their upcoming GPUs are looking very promising, especially considering how team green turned into a luxury brand. And their support for Linux has been very welcome.

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Post by dx034 »

QuarterRoy wrote: post #10

I’ve been through two layoffs at tech companies - one of 14,000 and one of 15,000. One touched a lot of teams including my own. The second was mostly smoke and mirrors - they took multiple factories and supply chain employees and sold them or outsourced them to a company that picked up the payroll for those employees. Only a handful of roles were truly culled. The announcement of the layoffs was theatre for Wall Stre…

It's important that Wall Street is not just some people but the owners of the company. So it's a signal to the owners that their money will be better spent.

Just saying Wall Street sounds very dismissive of the obligations that management has to the owners.

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Post by NavinF »

sundvor wrote: post #409
gtirloni wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who cares what a desktop processor plugged to a wall outlet consumes? Seriously, if you care about power consumption, don't buy a K processor.

When a 5800X3D offers equal or better gaming performance at 1/2 to 1/3rd the power consumption (e.g. 220w vs 80w), and you pay $0.65 per kW/h during peak times, I can only imagine: "Quite a few".

If electricity was $0.65/kWh for me, I'd move out of the country lol. Assuming a more realistic $0.40/kWh (considered very expensive in the US, where most enthusiasts live), 8 hours of gaming a day, and a 200W power limit, you're paying $19/mo. Not bad.

Don't get me wrong, the 5800x3d is a phenomenal CPU. However like many owners of that CPU, I'm also in the market for a 4090 and intend to use the full 600W power limit with my water loop and outdoor radiator. CPU power consumption is just not an issue for enthusiasts.

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mrkramer wrote: post #97

This blog post[0] explains it pretty well: "Fewer and fewer computer users think their computer is too slow." And therefore they only buy new computer if the current one breaks. "This happens less and less often. Even most disk drives, which are about the most mechanical part of a computer system, come with at least a 3 year warranty." "It means that computer purchasing decisions are no longer made based on price/per…

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