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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by arran-nz » Thu, Oct 13, 2022, 7:00 AM UTC

dozgon wrote: post #437

to-too-two wrote: post #235

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You can hate the King with a passion but still pay your taxes. Sometimes people feel like they barely have a choice and can hate them in-part for that too. I hate Verizon and Comcast with a passion but if it’s between them or no internet access, well I hardly call that a choice.

I would like to use a Google-free phone. However, online banking apps (e.g., N26) require you to have a mainstream phone (Android/iOS). You can't have root access, since apparently those banking apps won't work then. You need to have a SIM card as well, and you need to identify yourself when purchasing one. I really hate all that. At this point, I dream to live without smart technology as much as possible. Living mos…

I have LineageOS without any Google services, on a Asus Zenfone 8.

Recent versions of N26 work fine.

It's the perfect phone, with an aux port too!

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by JPKab » Thu, Oct 13, 2022, 7:00 AM UTC

Invictus0 wrote: post #91

chenshuiluke wrote: post #45

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Why go to such lengths to monitor your 16yo?

I have a friend attending Stanford for undergrad whose parents monitor his location 24/7, and another dealing with the same nonsense at BU. If she wanders too far from the places she's supposed to be, she gets an angry call from parents/her long distance bf (who is also in on it somehow). I guess even that isn't that bad compared to the parents that literally move across the country to wherever their kid is going to…

He’s an adult. That’s ridiculous.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by JPKab » Thu, Oct 13, 2022, 7:03 AM UTC

ok_dad wrote: post #132

hdlothia wrote: post #60

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As a parent of a toddler wondering why you deactivate th data. To disincentivize sneaking out? Preventing game addiction or too much social media?

So he can MITM his son on WiFi and invade his privacy. I bet the day you can own a 5G AP at your home this guy is gonna MITM his son on that. Some people need insane control over their kids, for some reason.

Wrong.

It’s to prevent video game/app addiction and well documented psychological issues. He gets straight As for a reason. I implemented this after he got hooked before, and grades tanked.

Go project somewhere else.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by JPKab » Thu, Oct 13, 2022, 7:05 AM UTC

hdlothia wrote: post #60

JPKab wrote: post #21

My 16 year old son has an iPhone because Apple has the best parental control integration built-in. Kids can always get around it, which is why I have monitoring the little bastard doesn't know about via my WiFi router, along with automated deactivation of his cellular data connection via a schedule with the carrier (after 10 PM on weekdays). The "green bubble" crap that I get from my iPhone owning buddies due to my P…

As a parent of a toddler wondering why you deactivate th data. To disincentivize sneaking out? Preventing game addiction or too much social media?

Game addiction.

See my other comments.

Modern games/apps are highly addictive and damaging to kids, and deprive them of sleep.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by dzikimarian » Thu, Oct 13, 2022, 7:08 AM UTC

alvarezbjm-hn wrote: post #409

idle_zealot wrote: post #299

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It's not just a trivial difference in bubble color. SMS conversations in iMessage lose features. The social rejection is a result of the features lost when an Android user participates in a messaging group.

The social rejection is a result of teens being teens, as pointed out. Adults would use another more inclusive tool, like whatsapp, email, discord, rss, etc.

You might wanna check out yesterday's discussion about Signal loosing support for SMS and see adults perspective on this very subject.

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Post by dzikimarian » Thu, Oct 13, 2022, 7:15 AM UTC

cykros wrote: post #602

XorNot wrote: post #436

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Why is the answer not to force interoperability? This is exactly what we should be doing because it's generally good for the communications ecosystem and the overall marketplace. It's not an answer to the problem of teenagers having to learn decency, but I'm failing to see a downside to taking Apple to task on this.

Forcing interoperability sounds like a good idea, until you recognize that it results in a system of compliance that absolutely stands in the way of innovation for years if not decades to come. Look at seatbelts: the technology has come leaps and bounds in recent decades, with 5 point harnesses being common in racecars, however, you'll probably notice that the seat belts in your current car look a lot like the seatbe…

Except there is no meaningful innovation in instant messaging for decades now. This argument is boilerplate of all Apple-related discussions and yet I fail to see what would we actually loose.

Also argument about fast charging is invalid. You are free to have own faster standard, as long as you also support PD over usb-c and that non-issue, as all faster chargers(eg. One Plus), were already working over usb-c.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by JPKab » Thu, Oct 13, 2022, 7:16 AM UTC

howinteresting wrote: post #382

JPKab wrote: post #21

My 16 year old son has an iPhone because Apple has the best parental control integration built-in. Kids can always get around it, which is why I have monitoring the little bastard doesn't know about via my WiFi router, along with automated deactivation of his cellular data connection via a schedule with the carrier (after 10 PM on weekdays). The "green bubble" crap that I get from my iPhone owning buddies due to my P…

It's one thing to have monitoring that your kid knows about, but monitoring your kid doesn't know about is child abuse. 16 year olds are people too, and this is no different from installing spyware on your partner's phone because you suspect them of cheating.

How many kids have you raised?

Come back to me when your kid (at 13) gets addicted to video games, and starts setting an alarm to wake and play at 2am behind your back, and getting no sleep.

Their brains aren’t developed. You don’t let a 3 year old pick their own meals.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by dzikimarian » Thu, Oct 13, 2022, 7:17 AM UTC

reaperducer wrote: post #423

CogitoCogito wrote: post #174

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Apple is free to open the iMessage ecosystem if they'd like to allow Android to send encrypted messages to iPhones as well. The truth is that Apple isn't doing this to help customers identify unencrypted messages. They are doing this for the network effect.

They are doing this for the network effect. This is what people in the hate-Apple echo chamber like to chant, but it's wrong. When Apple started doing it, there was no network effect. The color choice was made years before everyone started freaking out about green and blue bubbles. It was done to show that a message went over SMS, and not iMessage at a time when many Americans paid for each SMS sent, but iMessages we…

Apple executives literally said in the leaked email, that they are doing it for the network effect.

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Post by xenospn » Thu, Oct 13, 2022, 7:18 AM UTC

heavyset_go wrote: post #286

twobitshifter wrote: post #47

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Is the iPhone se really luxury? If you are starting from the idea that every teen will have a smart phone, I think apple has blanketed the market with products at all the cost points.

You can walk into a prepaid wireless store and grab a new Android phone for $20.

I bought a few of these for testing purposes. Completely unusable.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by lern_too_spel » Thu, Oct 13, 2022, 7:20 AM UTC

nilsleep wrote: post #469

asciimov wrote: post #129

Best things about the iPhone: - long term support - can expect a new device to get 5-6 years of Apple Updates - AppleCare - better build quality than cheap android devices - Reasonable expectation that required software will support it - Not having to listen to a teen complain about what their friends have that they don't - Finally, Updates, APPLE SUPPORTED UPDATES! - I'm really salty that my android phones had to be…

You forgot three very important points: - Privacy. Apple didn't built their business on milking people's data unlike google and so many others. - Security. Among many other factors the walled garden does provide a higher degree of security compared to Android. - Performance. Not only iPhones completely destroy Android in terms of performance and optimisation but the fact they are so performant make them great long te…

GP didn't mention those because they are all points in favor of Android.

Privacy: Android lets you install apps without telling anyone. iOS requires you to tell Apple. God forbid you want to use an app you build yourself because then you also have to give Apple your banking details. Android lets you get your location from the GPS sensor without telling anyone. If you want to get your location at all on iOS, you must also send your location to Apple. Android lets you use fully offline maps and have that handle map links. All map links on iOS must be opened by Apple Maps, telling Apple what you're looking at. I could go on and on.

Security: Android updates the browser and other system apps without rebooting the phone. iOS requires a reboot, meaning updates are batched before delivery and then applied more slowly. Android app stores have superior security, with F-Droid having reproducible builds and the Play Store running apps in VMs to do dynamic analysis. The App Store had to rely on external researchers to find Xcodeghost apps to take down, not even having basic static analysis do it themselves. The exploit market has responded by pricing iOS vulnerabilities lower than Android vulnerabilities. Despite what Apple tells you, the walled garden is for Apple's profits, not your security.

Performance: Despite Apple's hardware lead, the software is so unoptimized that it's not unusual to see iPhones lose to Android devices in app opening speed tests. A few years ago, iPhones were so slow that they would lose to previous generation budget phones on those tests.