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87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by hacym »

lostmsu wrote: post #635
devcat wrote: post #625

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That’s called replacing your battery. All phone batteries degrade and start underperforming over the years. What Apple did only affects those people with years old underperforming batteries.

Did not that happen about 2 years after phones were released first? 2 years sounds like a very small amount of time to me.

Batteries begin to degrade the moment you start to use them. All phones do this. Apple does not have some sort of magical technology to stop it from happening. No one does.

I wouldn’t expect a device that’s likely being drained and recharged daily to retain full capacity after two years. To suggest that shows a lack of understanding in the basic physics of a battery.

No company, Samsung, Google, etc. will “recall” your phone for normal wear and tear items like a battery. If that’s what you’re expecting, you’re going to be very disappointed.

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Post by thenoblesunfish »

I switched from iPhone to Android (Fairphone 4) recently, but my reasons for doing so prove the point, I think. I was willing to give up a slicker UI and a nice camera (and getting-a-bit-too-much-now postprocessing) in order to have more control over my audio files. But this thing wasn't cheap and to 99% of teens I assume it would not be worth it, even disregarding social pressure.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by viraptor »

conductr wrote: post #632
viraptor wrote: post #627

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Ok, so you're likely either not bothered by the messaging differences or not don't experience them. Now take a moment to imagine someone tries to tell you that your messaging system makes you not desirable in a group. What do you do as an adult? Spend extra money to comply with their ideas, or tell them to either use alternatives, or get over it? Does the fact you've never used those apps even factor into the decisio…

As I said, everyone I know is on apple so no I don’t notice the difference. I have seen a couple occasional when non Apple users are on a group text and it breaks some things. I can totally see how teens are judging each other on this. They’re judgmental creatures in search of social cues to judge you on. Having android is analogous to wearing cheap Walmart clothes in my day. You’re social clout takes a huge hit. I g…

To be best, I don't believe this:

> We will however absolutely refuse to use whatever app you ask us to if we’re am not using it already.

First, because there's a first you use every app. Second, because if you do chat with someone without imessage regularly, you'll want to upgrade to something. If you refuse because of tech... you didn't care enough about that person to begin with.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by pjmlp »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #618
MrVandemar wrote: post #592

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15th iPhone? I'm 50 and I'm still on my 1st Android phone (which is a piece of crap, but I have an environmental responsibility to use it as long as possible and it still does perfectly good phone things like SMS and voice and DCSS). I've owned maybe four mobile phones in my whole life. I guess you're creating employment. See: https://www.who.int/teams/environment-climate-change-and-hea...

Most people use their phone for far more than SMS and "phoning" these days. You are an anomaly these days. That's neither good nor bad, it just is.

Most people in Europe only replace their phones when they die, get stolen, or lost.

Other than a few lucky ones, we aren't big fans of contracts, replacing phones every two years, we enjoy our pre-paid variants, and only replacing them when it actually is required.

Even when we use it for more than just SMS and calls.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by pjmlp »

conductr wrote: post #633
stjohnswarts wrote: post #618

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Most people use their phone for far more than SMS and "phoning" these days. You are an anomaly these days. That's neither good nor bad, it just is.

Agree GP is an anomaly and will say 15 could be an exaggeration a bit. I don’t know really but iPhone has been around a long time now and people seem to replace typically every 1-2 years.

Not in most European or African countries, majority is on pre-paid, and phones only get replaced when there is an actual reason, not that two years have gone by.

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Post by RockRobotRock »

lostmsu wrote: post #610
RockRobotRock wrote: post #360

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Yeah, good point, if I remember they did give you the option to override the battery safety feature and preserve your clock speed. Still, I think it is fair to say that iOS did over time start to feel more sluggish as they were adding more ambitious features which an aging chip couldn't handle.

It was certainly after the backlash, perhaps even after they lost the lawsuit.

oh damn, that's worse than i thought it was.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by 2000UltraDeluxe »

conductr wrote: post #633
stjohnswarts wrote: post #618

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Most people use their phone for far more than SMS and "phoning" these days. You are an anomaly these days. That's neither good nor bad, it just is.

Agree GP is an anomaly and will say 15 could be an exaggeration a bit. I don’t know really but iPhone has been around a long time now and people seem to replace typically every 1-2 years.

15th phone in total, would be fairly average for someone who has had mobile phones for 30 years. I suspect that's what the GP meant. Smartphone adoption is still not anywhere universal and many, many, are still on their first smart phone since a few years back.

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Post by gattilorenz »

dozgon wrote: post #474
hotpotamus wrote: post #211

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I mean, if you hate Apple and Google, you don't have a whole lot of other options. I'm vaguely aware of some competitors, but they're quite obscure. And I don't think going without a smartphone is all that feasible either these days.

Yep, for me, it is banking. N26 (Europe) requires you to have a smartphone and a SIM card. Obtaining a SIM card means that you need to identify yourself. You can't just have a smartphone. The OS needs to be unrooted and also mainstream (iOS/Android). This really sucks. Furthermore, Google and Discord lock your accounts, if you don't provide a phone number. The alternative might be to use an Android/iOS just for banki…

> Is it even possible within the EU to buy one without identification?

If it’s a prepaid one, sure. Just go to the supermarket in NL and get one for 10€, pay with cash.

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Post by heavyset_go »

systoll wrote: post #546
heavyset_go wrote: post #325

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You can buy a new Android phone for $20. A $400+ phone, with a $19 charging cable that is not included, is a luxury for many people.

The cable is included - https://www.apple.com/iphone-se/specs/

Sorry, I meant a charging adapter.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by Razengan »

Razengan wrote: post #584
hangonhn wrote: post #142

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This is the concept that's about to be tested in court. The majority of the revenue generating segment of the smartphone market is iOS while the majority of the overall smartphone market is Android. I get the sense that Apple did this on purpose but the Unity lawsuit may write a new chapter on what it means to be a monopoly. This Planet Money episode talks about this dilemma: https://www.npr.org/2020/09/18/914563075/…

Sounds like simple jealousy. How dare someone with less users than us make more money?!

*Fewer
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