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Nearly half of Covid patients haven’t fully recovered months later, study finds

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Re: Nearly half of Covid patients haven’t fully recovered months later, study finds

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Post by timr »

John23832 wrote: post #61
timr wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. The fact that someone's father died is tragic. It still doesn't give them carte blanche to exaggerate or emphasize scary anecdotes at the expense of boring ones.

What makes their anecdote "emphasis" or "exaggeration", while yours is jut sharing? If your anecdote is "boring" or a more normal representation, why share? It seems like you want to fight to downplay the effects of covid, which is fine, but your approach is totally off.

> If your anecdote is "boring" or a more normal representation, why share?

Because if we don't, the only people who will share will be the ones with scary stories.

But indeed...why share any anecdote at all? They're pointless, except when used (as they usually are) to trigger emotions.

I'm saying that there's a tendency for people to amplify the emotional stories, and ignore the boring ones.

Re: Nearly half of Covid patients haven’t fully recovered months later, study finds

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Post by John23832 »

phpthrowaway99 wrote: post #82
John23832 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then there was an implication? That the anecdote isn't representative of what is actually happening? Stop being coy.

The implication was that these anecdata tales exist on both sides, especially one of just ONE singular anecdote. I wasn't implying that covid is fake or the vaccine is harmful, although I have my own reservations. The point was singular data points exist on both sides.

And in order to show that "other side" you would need to provide some data that implies that "covid is fake", "the vaccine is harmful", "that is much to do about nothing". The original idea presented was that covid was the cause of the thread owners issues. Presenting other data while saying "Anecdata can go all ways" is saying "no it was not". Stop hiding behind "both sides".

You can't "both sides" something that is presented as quantitative fact (binary outcomes are quantitative), you either agree with it or disagree with it. So your implication is that you disagree with the quantitative fact presented.

jfc. Say what you want with your chest. Stop being coy.

Re: Nearly half of Covid patients haven’t fully recovered months later, study finds

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Post by loktarogar »

timr wrote: post #62
ekianjo wrote: post #56

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so your pov is more valid than anyone else's? interesting.

Nope. My story is just as useless as every other anecdote when it comes to evaluating the truth of something like this. The point is to provide a neutral voice in contrast to the fearful one.

"I lost my dad" doesn't warrant an immediate "well, I didn't". You don't have to void someone's experience just because you think it'll scare some folks.

I lost two friends to COVID. That weighs on me a hell of a lot more than the knowledge that I didn't lose others. It's going to influence every discussion on this forever. Because they died.

Re: Nearly half of Covid patients haven’t fully recovered months later, study finds

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Post by ls15 »

benhoyt wrote: post #47

Seeing people are sharing stories ... I'm a pretty healthy 41-year old, I live in New Zealand, got two Pfizer shots in late 2021, then got Covid in April 2022. It was like a bad flu, but I recovered from the main symptoms after a week or so, and felt drained for another few weeks. So far so good. But ever since recovering from Covid I've had this tightness/squirming feeling around my stomach/gut at night, and it real…

There have been some articles that suggest that Covid can linger in the gut.

I am not advertising it, but I certainly don't regret looking into alternative self-therapies with supplements (vitamins, minerals, probiotics, antioxidants) during recovering from Covid. In my case, the moderate CFS that I had for years before Covid miraculously mostly disappeared as well.

Re: Nearly half of Covid patients haven’t fully recovered months later, study finds

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Post by phpthrowaway99 »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #90
phpthrowaway99 wrote: post #76

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Here's a scary thought more scary than your platitude. In 5-10 years, we might find that everyone that got the vaccine does die like everyone dies.. except they die several years earlier than average.

In 5-10 years, we might find that everyone that got the vaccine does die like everyone dies.. except they die several years earlier than average. Thanks for saying the quiet part out loud. That makes it easier to follow up with this was disingenuous of you: I'm not implying anything.

I don't see how my own personal views matter in regards to what I said.

Even if I was pro vax, and had every booster under the sun, I could still just as easily post about how people on all sides of the covid spectrum have their own anecdata points... And bring up my coworker worried the vaccine is unsafe because his vaccinated and boosted boss, that seemed perfectly healthy, died in his sleep last week and now he's wondering if it was the vaccine.

Re: Nearly half of Covid patients haven’t fully recovered months later, study finds

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Post by phpthrowaway99 »

John23832 wrote: post #92
phpthrowaway99 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The implication was that these anecdata tales exist on both sides, especially one of just ONE singular anecdote. I wasn't implying that covid is fake or the vaccine is harmful, although I have my own reservations. The point was singular data points exist on both sides.

And in order to show that "other side" you would need to provide some data that implies that "covid is fake", "the vaccine is harmful", "that is much to do about nothing". The original idea presented was that covid was the cause of the thread owners issues. Presenting other data while saying "Anecdata can go all ways" is saying "no it was not". Stop hiding behind "both sides". You can't "both sides" something that is…

When I said other side, I didn't mean the exact other side of OPs view about long covid. I meant the other complete side of the covid spectrum.. aka the anti vaxers.

Maybe I wrote it poorly, technically English is my second language although I've been here for a long time.

My point is, these singular personalized emotional data points exist all over, on both sides of the spectrum. That's all.

Regarding me being coy... Sure, I'm so coy I'm taking probably the most hated position on this site. I suppose I should just open with "As a covid vaccine sceptic, " and have people shut down instantly instead.

Re: Nearly half of Covid patients haven’t fully recovered months later, study finds

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Post by simianparrot »

bsder wrote: post #38
timr wrote: post #23

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I've had it and everyone I know has had it (now in the dozens), including a number of elderly people. Everyone is fine. I recovered in a week, and out of literally dozens of people, I've not met anyone who took longer than that. I'm sorry about your dad, but let's not exaggerate based on personal anecdotes. The stories that get upvoted are the ones that scare people.

> Everyone is fine. I recovered in a week, and out of literally dozens of people, I've not met anyone who took longer than that. Calling bullshit. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01589-z Anybody who lost their sense of taste or smell took months to recover that. Loss of smell or taste is almost 50% for Covid prior to Omicron. Even with Omicron, it's about 20%.

I lost my sense of smell and taste which was really upsetting, but got it back in about 11 days. No lingering issues either.

Re: Nearly half of Covid patients haven’t fully recovered months later, study finds

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Post by puffoflogic »

readthenotes1 wrote: post #53

I know 21 people that have had covid, from 3 to 91. 1 person had long covid, still requires oxygen months later. Either my friends and family are unduly healthy, or there's maybe something questionable about the "half". If I flipped a coin 21 times and it only came up tails once, I wouldn't believe it was a fair coin...

How many were vaccinated?
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