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iPhone Ownership Among U.S. Teens Hits 87% - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33169684 - Oct 2022 (70 comments)
87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
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I and most adults I know have never used those apps. We’re also on our ~15th iphone
Ok, so you're likely either not bothered by the messaging differences or not don't experience them. Now take a moment to imagine someone tries to tell you that your messaging system makes you not desirable in a group. What do you do as an adult? Spend extra money to comply with their ideas, or tell them to either use alternatives, or get over it? Does the fact you've never used those apps even factor into the decisio…
As I said, everyone I know is on apple so no I don’t notice the difference. I have seen a couple occasional when non Apple users are on a group text and it breaks some things.
I can totally see how teens are judging each other on this. They’re judgmental creatures in search of social cues to judge you on. Having android is analogous to wearing cheap Walmart clothes in my day. You’re social clout takes a huge hit.
I get it and have empathy, but no solutions as I really think it’s kids being kids and I don’t think Apple as a business should be regulated towards an open protocol (only actual solution).
I’ll never know what it’s like to be a teen that texts or has a smart phone because I didn’t experience it. But I hear teens don’t care about cars these days and that was a crucial part of being a teen with a thriving social life where/when I grew up. You’d get teased for not having one or having a old/ugly one. You were excluded from social activities if you couldn’t find transportation. You couldn’t take someone out on a date and it actually impacted whether you were even worth dating. And, it was very expensive for a teenager.
The difference with adults is we don’t give each other a hard time about it. Or too much anyways. We will however absolutely refuse to use whatever app you ask us to if we’re am not using it already. We’re also probably not using it already. Most of us bought iPhone at the beginning and have never really considered anything else. That’s why we’ve owned so many of their phones.
I’m not European but I find the idea that I should accept I have to context switch between apps based on who I’m talking to be insane. All my texting is in one app, just like email, phone, maps, etc. I might be simplistic but apps are pretty sticky for me once I choose a default for _activity_. I might be wrong, but if I remember correctly the reason the texting apps exploded over there was because you all had bad or expensive SMS originally. iMessage didn’t exist until 2011/iOS 5 and was likely Apple’s response from competition from rapidly growing companies like WhatsApp.
Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
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15th iPhone? I'm 50 and I'm still on my 1st Android phone (which is a piece of crap, but I have an environmental responsibility to use it as long as possible and it still does perfectly good phone things like SMS and voice and DCSS). I've owned maybe four mobile phones in my whole life. I guess you're creating employment. See: https://www.who.int/teams/environment-climate-change-and-hea...
Most people use their phone for far more than SMS and "phoning" these days. You are an anomaly these days. That's neither good nor bad, it just is.
Agree GP is an anomaly and will say 15 could be an exaggeration a bit. I don’t know really but iPhone has been around a long time now and people seem to replace typically every 1-2 years.
Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
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15th iPhone? I'm 50 and I'm still on my 1st Android phone (which is a piece of crap, but I have an environmental responsibility to use it as long as possible and it still does perfectly good phone things like SMS and voice and DCSS). I've owned maybe four mobile phones in my whole life. I guess you're creating employment. See: https://www.who.int/teams/environment-climate-change-and-hea...
Most people use their phone for far more than SMS and "phoning" these days. You are an anomaly these days. That's neither good nor bad, it just is.
I do, and I am still on my second...
Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
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Or they could have recalled faulty devices, you know. To fix them and provide the experience they promised originally.
That’s called replacing your battery. All phone batteries degrade and start underperforming over the years. What Apple did only affects those people with years old underperforming batteries.
Did not that happen about 2 years after phones were released first? 2 years sounds like a very small amount of time to me.
Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
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You forgot three very important points: - Privacy. Apple didn't built their business on milking people's data unlike google and so many others. - Security. Among many other factors the walled garden does provide a higher degree of security compared to Android. - Performance. Not only iPhones completely destroy Android in terms of performance and optimisation but the fact they are so performant make them great long te…
> - Privacy. Apple didn't built their business on milking people's data unlike google and so many others. Is this still true? :(
Unless you have something to suggest otherwise, yes it is true.
Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
#637My two oldest children - 13 and 15 - have loudly proclaimed that having a "green bubble" would be worse than death .
We like to fingerwag at social media companies for knowingly negatively impacting children's mental health and self-esteem, yet Apple is aware of how their systems ostracize children, in their own peer groups, who can't afford to carry around luxury phones. It's one thing to be ostracized by strangers on social media, it's an entirely other thing to be ostracized by your own friends and peers. The latter is tragicall…
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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
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Would love to hear your thoughts on what makes Android "one of the most amazing platforms out there"?
It's in practice mostly open, anyone can make apps for it, they give you enough APIs for things like Tile to actually work, and it's pretty much hassle free. Stuff just works. It uses tiny amounts of power on cheap hardware and still is always reasonably performant. It's very discoverable and convenience oriented, there's no gestural control stuff(Aside from the hideous pull to refresh feature that I hate, which I'd…
I’ve been an iOS user for about 5 years now. I switched from Android because after 6 months of owning an Android-based phone it was practically unusable form a performance standpoint. The hardware companies used was low quality. The experience with Samsung, Motorola, etc. bloatware and half-baked features basically forced you to root and flash the device if you wanted a decent experience. iOS may be a walled garden, but it works. Well.
My partner switched from Android a little over a year ago. These problems, on her current gen, top of the line Samsung phone, still persisted. While the quality of the hardware had definitely improved, she was essentially stuck with a phone that was seemingly trying to become obsolete.
IMO, Android has a longggggg way to go before it really shakes that perception. I realize a lot of the problems aren’t Android’s fault. I’m sure they want companies to provide updates to their devices for years. I’m sure they don’t want some Bixby crap taking over. But, in the end, that’s really what you can expect from their approach.
Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
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15th iPhone? I'm 50 and I'm still on my 1st Android phone (which is a piece of crap, but I have an environmental responsibility to use it as long as possible and it still does perfectly good phone things like SMS and voice and DCSS). I've owned maybe four mobile phones in my whole life. I guess you're creating employment. See: https://www.who.int/teams/environment-climate-change-and-hea...
Most people use their phone for far more than SMS and "phoning" these days. You are an anomaly these days. That's neither good nor bad, it just is.
I'm on my fifth smartphone (since 2009). But I've always used Android. It could be that iOS users are more inclined to replace perfectly working hardware.
Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
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They have the iPhone SE which they explicitly market as a budget option.
Which is still not a budget option. Not in hardware quality, not in customer/product support, not in price. It's a premium product in every way.
What is a budget option, then? The reality is that most people get these phones for free with trade ins to AT&T or Verizon.