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Yes, I think people should be able to tweet things like “masks do/don’t” work without being able to be sued. It’s the same thing with covid. It was made illegal to question it
You can tweet " I believe that ..." all you like and not get sued.
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Revenue or profit? It’s unclear. If it’s revenue, at 10% margin, I’d guess he’s close to broke after expenses.
> at 10% margin Even legacy media manages 20%-40% margins; an outfit like InfoWars can probably get way over 50%. What exactly are their expenses?
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Alex has even recently sued someone for defamation over the child porn allegations that were made against him.
Was he awarded billions? That's a very damaging allegation. Considering he's not in jail, he must have been innocent.
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That's literally how tort damages work. The inverse of your logic would imply that defamation wouldn't be actionable at all; reputation damage, after all, concerns entirely what unrelated third parties do with your misstatements.
Yes because thinking a BILLION dollar fine is absurd for saying dumb shit online, clearly means there should be no torts at all. What it really means is for this fine to make sense, we need to start fining other people and companies TRILLIONS. I feel like I'm in an Austin Powers movie, or worse, on Reddit.
The total number is nosebleed-high because Jones managed to be culpable for one of the most egregious defamation cases in 50 years against more than a dozen people simultaneously.
Also, because he boycotted the trial and lost it by default.
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That's not obvious to me at all. Can a 9-figure media and supplements company inflict 25-50 million dollars on an individual? Sure they can. Selling the memory of a parent's murdered child and defaming them to the point where they are followed into different states by lunatics threatening their lives seems to easily cross that threshold. How disruptive would it be to my life if that happened to me? Over how many year…
> If only one parent had sued, we wouldn't be batting an eyelash at the resulting damages. This is not really a convincing response to my comment on the per-family damages: >> Nobody involved had a reputation that was worth $100 million dollars. You can't lose value you never had. > How disruptive would it be to my life if that happened to me? Over how many years? However disruptive it was, the damages could not reac…
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You're asking me to support the claim that Alex Jones would rather try controversies with violence than in a court of law?
You claimed my opinion was adjacent to his. I would not 'rather try controversies with violence than in court' but nor am I completely opposed to people mutually agreeing to settle them directly (with formalities) rather than submitting them to a third party. It seems like you dislike this idea, and are just associating with Jones who you also dislike. I don't see how you get from his conspiracy worldview to my opini…
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Yes because thinking a BILLION dollar fine is absurd for saying dumb shit online, clearly means there should be no torts at all. What it really means is for this fine to make sense, we need to start fining other people and companies TRILLIONS. I feel like I'm in an Austin Powers movie, or worse, on Reddit.
It's not a BILLION. It's a BILLION divided by fifteen plaintiffs, which brings the per-plaintiff number to a high-but-precedented number. The total number is nosebleed-high because Jones managed to be culpable for one of the most egregious defamation cases in 50 years against more than a dozen people simultaneously. Also, because he boycotted the trial and lost it by default .
As someone who's been closely following the Infowars/Free Speech Systems trials (watched all the depos, trial footage, etc.), all I can say is that I'm glad these families are finally getting justice. Even though I'm sure it'll be tied up in appeals for awhile (and reduced on appeal), hopefully it'll prevent future harassment campaigns against families when tragedies occur. And before anyone says "but why wasn't Jone…
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Omg no it doesn’t. You know damn well that some random streamer or podcaster isn’t the same as some of these heavy hitters of insanity. And even ignoring that then YES, YES they should be held accountable if they are knowingly spewing falsehoods and stirring up people and it causes shit like that. “Free speech” != “I can be a total fuckwad and say whatever so want without any repercussions!”
I dont think different standards should apply to someone just because they have a popular show. Sue the individuals who actually committed the acts of harassment, not Alex Jones. The people actually responsible for the harassment are getting away with it unscathed here, while a performer is punished. This isnt justice.
As someone who's been closely following the Infowars/Free Speech Systems trials (watched all the depos, trial footage, etc.), all I can say is that I'm glad these families are finally getting justice. Even though I'm sure it'll be tied up in appeals for awhile (and reduced on appeal), hopefully it'll prevent future harassment campaigns against families when tragedies occur. And before anyone says "but why wasn't Jone…
The judge threatened to throw Alex in jail for saying he was innocent to the jury. You can't really get more dystopian than that. Imagine if that happened during your own trial, what would you do? Would you still want to testify. There were a few other things the judge barred him from saying during his testimony, yet the prosecution spent days talking about them. How is that even remotely fair. Ridiculous verdict fro…
People are Big Mad about the fact that Jones wasn't allowed to proclaim his ignorance on the stand. But I'm guessing that if you surveyed those people, fewer than 50% would be aware that he was tried and found liable already, and that the "trial" we're discussing is simply the damages phase of the trial he lost.