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Post by ghaff »

tuatoru wrote: post #192
twobitshifter wrote: post #47

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Is the iPhone se really luxury? If you are starting from the idea that every teen will have a smart phone, I think apple has blanketed the market with products at all the cost points.

Anything that has 87% of the market is by definition mass-market. Edit: Back in the '90s, PC Magazine had a saying, "the PC you want costs $3,000". This figure was fairly stable despite the improvement in PCs' performance over the decade. By this standard, and considering that as well as a PC it's a phone, a camera, an atlas and an encyclopedia, a TV and a music player, the iPhone doesn't seem too much like a luxury.

"Machrone's Law" as I recall had a $5K price point. And, yes, it held until probably sometime in the 2000s. Yes, PCs were pretty expensive if you consider the PC you "wanted" was probably close to $10K in today's dollars.

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Post by GeekyBear »

sangnoir wrote: post #561
GeekyBear wrote: post #548

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How does Google have the nerve to whine about iMessage after they used Youtube as a weapon to kill Windows Phone?

Nothing to do with nerve, and everything to do with self interest. Do you think Google (or any organization) is capable of shame? I could extend your question to "How could Microsoft whine about Google shutting down its Youtube API access, while Microsoft was shaking down Android OEMs with secret patents and forciing them to make Windows phones as part of the (secret) settlement?" or "How can Apple ramp up its ad pro…

> Nothing to do with nerve

People don't seem to agree with you. Google screwing up it's own messaging strategy for a decade and then whining about the consequences of their own decisions shows a lot of nerve.

> Google has been unable to field a stable, competitive messaging platform for years and has thoroughly lost the messaging war to products with a long-term strategy. At least some divisions inside the company are waking up to how damaging this is to Google as a company, and now Google's latest strategy is to... beg its competition for mercy? Google—which has launched 13 different messaging apps since iMessage launched in 2011—now says, "It's time for Apple to fix texting."

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/new-google-site-begs...

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by fomine3 »

gaudat wrote: post #396
testermelon wrote: post #303

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I read your comment to my wife and her response was “what is a green bubble?”. We are living in Japan and here we only use Discord, WhatsApp, and Line for messaging.

I think the mobile phone market in Japan is also dominated by iPhones now?

Yes, but SMS/MMS has never been popular thus also iMessage.

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Post by SergeAx »

rejectfinite wrote: post #221
higgins wrote: post #124

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Would love to hear your thoughts on what makes Android "one of the most amazing platforms out there"?

I can run actual Firefox with ublock origin. or Bromite. or Brave. or anything really.

Wait, they can't run uBlock Origin on iOS? But the web without it is just unusable.

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Post by xcrunner529 »

meragrin_ wrote: post #526
xcrunner529 wrote: post #488

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Before iMessage (yes it existed) all text messages were green. Blue denoted iMessage. There was no evil plan from Apple like bloggers love to conceive for attention - it’s merely what was originally chosen and they wanted to differentiate iMessage when they released it.

You know why they wanted to differentiate iMessage? It caused issues with SMS. They knew it. They wanted an easy out for the incompatibilities. It is a problem with the "plebs" not Apple. The "plebs" were just holding their phones wrong. After all, even iPhone users don't know how to hold their phone. How can "plebs" be expected to know how to hold their phones if iPhone user can't? Apple could fix this if they wante…

No they did it so you knew when it was in and could use the features. There’s no “issue” with SMS.

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Post by ghaff »

GeekyBear wrote: post #568
ghaff wrote: post #567

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>But wasn't cellular data priced similarly extortionately back then? I guess it depends on your terms. I had--I think--a 2GB per month data plan (which was actually fairly reasonable for mobile at the time) and later went to "unlimited" but I was still paying something like 10 cents per text for a time. I didn't text a lot so I just paid a la carte until I changed plans. Communications charges have changed a lot over…

> Communications charges have changed a lot over time. I remember when long distance calls were something like $1/minute. I can remember Verizon being sued because they forced handset manufacturers to disable Bluetooth for file transfers, because Verizon used to charge you money every time you transferred photos to or from your phone.

The carriers used to completely own the entire phone experience. That's what really changed with Android and iOS. Walled gardens notwithstanding, you have access to a far less restricted and curated set of applications.

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

josephcsible wrote: post #549
GeekyBear wrote: post #544

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> At what time has data ever been cheaper than SMS? Phone plans used to come with a limited number of SMS messages per month (or even none), and the rates per SMS if you went over the limit were beyond extortionate. >Since BlackBerry messages are sent as data, users do not incur individual charges for each message as they would through regular SMS texting. While phone companies have introduced bulk texting plans, man…

> Phone plans used to come with a limited number of SMS messages per month (or even none), and the rates per SMS if you went over the limit were beyond extortionate. But wasn't cellular data priced similarly extortionately back then?

Yes, but if you had wifi iMessage was essentially “free”. I always though of it as message went over the internet, vs message went over SMS.

iMessage was released 11 years ago now. Can’t blame Apple for what not considering what the toddlers of the time would eventually do with the technology.

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Post by nozzlegear »

rejectfinite wrote: post #238
gtvwill wrote: post #41

1/3 of my kids have iPhone. The use of iPhones amongst them and their peers is directly related to their level of IT/Tech knowhow. Long story short the kids on android are probably gonna wind up building the tech the kids on apple consume. Or atleast that's how it's playing out amongst them atm. iPhone kids legit just take photos and short vidyas mostly of themselves. It's like you can correlate an iPhone with a toxi…

Based.

Based on what?

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Post by philistine »

to1y wrote: post #270
eatsyourtacos wrote: post #116

I hate apple with a passion for not opening up iMessage, but here we are. That being said, I am getting my first iPhone in just a few days because I am sick of the 100000 choices between android phones that all suck in one way or another. I don't believe they will last more than a few years if my last samsung is any indication. And I don't give a crap about what android can do- I just want a phone that works. So I gu…

Is there some sort of troll farm apple campaign going on here? In my experience Apple has been much more troublesome, their walled garden pretty much guarantees bugs and errors and ofcourse the trademark throttling of CPU, battery, functionality in general when they think it's time for you to get a new phone, where's the die-hard fandom come from? My $340 Android works better than a $1000 iPhone. I admit they're actu…

> My $340 Android works better than a $1000 iPhone.

I feel like you're alone in that camp. Very few people would argue that point.

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

currenciessfe wrote: post #499
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #449

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Wow, that's an intense level of myopia right there. There are lots and lots (and lots) of people who don't need a Galaxy. Take my wife for example. Entirely happy (or as happy as you can with any contemporary portable computing device) with her old LG Aristo 5, it started failing a few weeks back, and we replaced it with a T-Mobile Revvl 6 Pro 5G. $219. Entirely adequate phone for her, and for most the people we know…

No, the point was that if you don't want to choose between 100000 androids you buy the Galaxy which is the iPhone equivalent.

I don't know how anyone would interpret what you wrote in that way, but OK, fine.
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