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Alex Jones told to pay $965M damages to Sandy Hook victims' families

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Re: Alex Jones told to pay $965M damages to Sandy Hook victims' families

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Post by tptacek »

donatj wrote: post #470
tptacek wrote: post #8

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Remarkably, I think this is all economic damages --- they haven't reached the punitive damages phase. Furthermore, Connecticut doesn't have caps on compensatory damage for emotional distress. So this isn't quite like the Texas situation, where Jones attorneys successfully convinced the jury to award relatively small compensatory damages and large punitive damages --- those Texas punitive damages will get knocked way…

How does one possibly cause $64 million in straight damages per plaintiff? This isn't even the punitive yet. You could take everything I own and prevent me from ever earning another dollar and it wouldn't be $64 million dollars.

By making millions of dollars by deliberately amplifying the pain of a murdered parent, so that they're harassed and threatened, face to face, even when they visit states across the country from where they live. It's not complicated. Jones really did fuck these people's lives up, and he did so knowing that their lives had already been devastated. It's hard to even think of a way to profit from the mass murder of first graders, but Alex Jones literally found a way to do it; he might be the only person to have done so successfully.

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greedo wrote: post #439
paganel wrote: post #430

Blatantly copying from Twitter [1], but it's what I believe, also: > The largest fine paid by a banking executive responsible for the 2008 Financial Crisis was $67.5 million A few tens of millions would have set straight almost everyone involved, the victims getting their money, Jones having to pay out of his pocket. But $1 billion means Jones will never be able to pay the sum, and, what's more, it will also silence…

Interesting and brave take to defend a real scumbag.

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Post by tainfowars0320 »

tptacek wrote: post #184
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #129

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> every media-company would be broke Media is constantly being sued for defamation. The difficult part is showing they had evidence they were lying. That was overwhelming in these cases, which is what makes them unique.

Morever, any serious media company in the world when faced with a suit like this would have lawyered up and diligently participated in their defense during the trial. Jones did the opposite: he and his counsel clownishly attempted to boycott the trial, despite repeated and escalating warnings from the judge, and ended up losing by default , which is an almost unprecedented outcome. Most companies don't respond to law…

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Re: Alex Jones told to pay $965M damages to Sandy Hook victims' families

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Post by tptacek »

unknownaccount wrote: post #464
helf wrote: post #449

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Oh here we go… rolls eyes This is not “chilling to free speech”. Spewing hatred and demonstrably false utter bullshit and stirring up people knowingly is what he has and continues to do. Just like any number of other sociopathic fuckwits out there and through the ages. “Personal responsibility and accountability “ is exacty what he’s being held accountable for because /his/ actions, /his/ drivel, /his/ psychotic vitr…

Alex Jones wasnt the mastermind who created this conspiracy theory. The crisis actors conspiracy theory was already popular on the internet a couple days after the incident, months to years before Alex Jones covered it. There were numerous people speculating at the time about some strange discrepencies in the official narrative and footage which was able to convince some otherwise very reasonable people that there wa…

I'm pretty sure it's a clear case of punishing a citizen for building a hundred million dollar supplement business on false allegations about the parents of dead children that were made so repeatedly they had to go into hiding, and then boycotting the resulting defamation trial. But tomato, tomahto.

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Post by cycomanic »

jjulius wrote: post #352
o_1 wrote: post #308

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This isn't twitter singling out a user for their opinions/posts isn't the discourse nature of HN. Please keep this type of behavior away from here.

In the context of the user making a very inaccurate comment about the free speech rights of someone running one of the largest conspiracy theory websites, it is worth highlighting their own strong connections to an organization very similar in intent/spirit to InfoWars. I provided no direct link to any personal accounts, did not doxx OP, and will defer to dang on this one.

The irony is that the user would likely complain loudly about you posting this and ask moderators to remove the post. That's how far their defence of free speech goes.

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Post by _kbh_ »

budder wrote: post #16

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> I wish I lived in a world where it was legal to say whatever you wanted.

You do, your just mixing up freedom of speech with having no consequences for your speech.

You can say whatever you want, you just may get sued if you end up causing people damages.

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Post by Iwan-Zotow »

coyotespike wrote: post #204
zackees wrote: post #24

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Okay bud. The common law has been developing for hundreds of years. It is an extraordinary institution and an important part of Western traditions. At its best, the common law has allowed a finely balanced rule to develop - not in a vacuum, but incrementally and iteratively proven in thousands of real-world cases. Some of the best minds of our civilizations have tussled over these guidelines, and the more lawsuits th…

> an important part of Western traditions.

anglo traditions

Lots of (western) countries doesn't have anything comparable

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Post by coyotespike »

Iwan-Zotow wrote: post #508
coyotespike wrote: post #204

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Okay bud. The common law has been developing for hundreds of years. It is an extraordinary institution and an important part of Western traditions. At its best, the common law has allowed a finely balanced rule to develop - not in a vacuum, but incrementally and iteratively proven in thousands of real-world cases. Some of the best minds of our civilizations have tussled over these guidelines, and the more lawsuits th…

> an important part of Western traditions. anglo traditions Lots of (western) countries doesn't have anything comparable

You are completely right! I was going to say it's mainly the Commonwealth and the US, but there are more common-law countries than I would have thought: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/common-la...

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Post by nimonian »

nikanj wrote: post #374
bdcravens wrote: post #322

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Articles report on fines, salaries, etc all the time, often with an element of payment in the future. "Facebook fined..." and "Facebook told to pay a fine..." have little difference, and I don't see many arguing the semantics of those articles.

The difference is, Facebook would probably pay the fine. Alex Jones probably won’t

That may be a difference but it is not the point. The semantics of the headlines are being discussed, not the particulars.
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