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Re: Project Starline expands testing through an early access program

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If this were from a startup, no one would be saying the same, but because it is Google, folks want to ride the bandwagon.

Microsoft has cancelled thousands of products, but nobody says a thing.

Yet the number of hardware products Google has cancelled you can count on 1 hand.

Re: Project Starline expands testing through an early access program

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The cards are definitely stacked against this when it's at Google. Because of: 1. Google's solid track record of killing things because they didn't grow quickly, after a half hearted effort. Stadia being the latest example. 2. Google being pretty bad at cracking the corporate communication space. Teams and Zoom ate its lunch. 3. Google not having a strategy behind communication tools in general. Meet, Hangouts, Chat,…

I apologize if this comes off as aggressive, but all four of your points are totally wrong and I am sick of seeing these ideas parroted all over HN. 1. Google does not have a solid track record of killing things. IF you actually go through the list of all the "products" Google has "killed", you find that 95% of them are just consolidated into other areas of the Google product stack. Stadia was a herculean undertaking…

> 1. Google does not have a solid track record of killing things…95% of them are just consolidated into other areas

Public opinion still stands, they now garner a reputation of “won’t support for long, might kill” on new products they launch. You can’t even trust their owns comma - a month out of Stadia being axed they were talking about how they were going to continue supporting it.

> Google is an absolute giant in corporate communications via G-Suite.

Email and stuff, sure. Video conferencing, less so.

> Google delivers legendary levels of hardware support for their Pixel devices, the absolute best in the Android ecosystem

Is this a joke? Their hardware support is lacking, and the fact that it’s the “best of the Android ecosystem” says a lot about the quality of that sector. Basically every time this topic comes up on the pixel and Android subreddits, users who have those phones bemoan googles lacking and inconsistent support.

Re: Project Starline expands testing through an early access program

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If they've managed to embed the video collector at eye height or close, so the effect of looking at the screen is to be seen as looking at the other person, this is in itself useful. If it's still a non-eyeline camera and they do some adaptive smarts to make it "look" like eyeline I'd be interested how good that is.

If they have leveraged peppers ghost and like techniques to make a volume appear to be "occupied" then it's possible this also helps with hinting to presence. I've seen some art displays which sort-of did this. It was remarkably pleasant to sit opposite people who you sort-of knew were not actually in the implied volume behind the screen.

The influence of delay on perception of "there-ness" is huge. I would be interested how good this is at adjusting for unremovable lightspeed delay inter-continental. Not to over do it, it wouldn't surprise me if this works in SFO to NYC but works less well SFO to LHR or SFO to SIN.

I tend to assume "applied ML" is marketing speak but its possible the investment in time to tune some net has made an FPGA cheap to deploy to do one job, and do it well, and over time be (re)tuned to do it better. This isn't welcome to new robot overlords, its just sensible use of technology to improve.

I could see anything which does image processing like this also be applicable for people with persisting tic or tremor issues. It might help with stabilising image for their remote participation in online stuff.

I totally prefer this kind of application of smarts, to what Meta are doing.

Re: Project Starline expands testing through an early access program

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It's weird how this seems really exciting and yet the fact that it's a google project leaves me assured it will go nowhere, and therefore it's hard to take much of an interest in. Same as that cool automated phone call AI they demo'd a few years ago.

Cool, but not likely to go anywhere in Google's hands.

Product-wise, have they succeeded with anything in the past 10+ years? Chrome is from before then. Android is from before then. Google Maps, Search, and Gmail are all from before then. I guess the Pixel was successful. Seems like everything else is incremental technical improvements of existing product lines.

Re: Project Starline expands testing through an early access program

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a super fun thing to be the first person to comment about #1 on literally everything Google does, but it's silly and wrong to think that's a valid criticism. For every product Google kills, it's launched dozens of wildly successful products you've been taking for granted for over a decade in some cases: Gmail, search, Drive, Photos, Chromecast, Chrome, Books, Flights, Scholar, AdSense, Calendar, Docs, Sheets, Ke…

> For every product Google kills, it's launched dozens of wildly successful products you've been taking for granted for over a decade in some cases: Gmail, search, Drive, Photos, Chromecast, Chrome, Books, Flights, Scholar, AdSense, Calendar, Docs, Sheets, Keep, Translate, Maps... More like for every 10 products they kill they maybe let one live... Have you not seen killed by google ? > Google can and does support do…

> Have you not seen killed by google ?

Yes, we've all seen it. Honestly can we just discuss the tech for once instead of making the same comment 30 times on every Google thread?

This sort of video streaming is reminiscent of the "tele-human" teleconferencing in Silicon Valley [1]. Hopefully it works better. It would be timed well as so many companies are looking at working from home right now. Though as with anything with "Project" in the name, I wouldn't expect any actual product for at least five years, and probably more.

Salesforce makes sense as a partner. They have multiple global offices and could stress test things beyond internal dogfooding.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YOEEpWAXgU

Re: Project Starline expands testing through an early access program

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The cards are definitely stacked against this when it's at Google. Because of: 1. Google's solid track record of killing things because they didn't grow quickly, after a half hearted effort. Stadia being the latest example. 2. Google being pretty bad at cracking the corporate communication space. Teams and Zoom ate its lunch. 3. Google not having a strategy behind communication tools in general. Meet, Hangouts, Chat,…

It's a super fun thing to be the first person to comment about #1 on literally everything Google does, but it's silly and wrong to think that's a valid criticism. For every product Google kills, it's launched dozens of wildly successful products you've been taking for granted for over a decade in some cases: Gmail, search, Drive, Photos, Chromecast, Chrome, Books, Flights, Scholar, AdSense, Calendar, Docs, Sheets, Ke…

> it's silly and wrong to think that's a valid criticism

Knocks it out of consideration for me. Deploying these things zaps energy. I trust a start-up with that investment more than Google. Sure, with an SLA, I’d have assurances. But for the “let’s throw a couple in some offices and home offices and see if it works” threshold, it seems like a time waste.

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