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This is more than the amount that people that lied about WDM's in the middle East were ever fined with. Consider they killed millions. Please know that I am not siding with Jones but this is ludicrous.
While nothing can bring back their children, siblings, or classmates, one hopes (but doesn't expect) that this will help consign a particularly vile and repugnant conspiracy theory to the dustbin of polite discourse.
Doubt. The people who believe this kind of stuff will just say it's the deep state trying to cover up their conspiracy or some equally asinine garbage. They have a persecution fetish, and any sort of punishment will just cause them to double down.
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Jones runs a 9-figure media and supplements business that misappropriated and sold the memories of 20 children and the reputations of their parents to boost his numbers, and then refused to participate in the trial that established his culpability. He might be the least sympathetic corporate defendant in US history. Even the tobacco CEOs could reason that the science was overblown, and that the companies were protect…
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Neither contains a call to action.
I don't think that's a great standard. For example if I consistently call a group of people subhuman and vermin that should not exist I may not have a call to action but the ideology I'm promoting is pretty clear. It's not unreasonable to hold me accountable when a member of my audience decides to attack an individual from the group I'm dehumanizing. Nor is it unreasonable for a member of that group to sue me. And ag…
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> Say the wrong words and get financially destroyed I would argue that a failed society is one that protects an individual at the cost of the group. You only see one individual held accountable for his words and actions, but you don't make any attempt to recognize the families and how their lives have been affected by Alex Jones' negligent and irresponsible words.
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Jones runs a 9-figure media and supplements business that misappropriated and sold the memories of 20 children and the reputations of their parents to boost his numbers, and then refused to participate in the trial that established his culpability. He might be the least sympathetic corporate defendant in US history. Even the tobacco CEOs could reason that the science was overblown, and that the companies were protect…
The biggest numbers I've seen were 8 figures (Rolling Stones published something suggesting 160 million over 3 years, while he was still on YouTube at his peak, which is 53 million a year), and that was for total revenue which to my understanding is debated as being too high. Jones himself is probably worth less than 10 million especially considering his share of InfoWars is now worthless
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> I lack the vocabulary and metaphorcraft necessary to even begin to break down such a false equivalence Odd given it was your comment, not the one you're replying to, that first drew the analogy.
yes, I brought up another event and compared and contrasted the two, with the intent of demonstrating how the two things are not equivalent, yet the demonstrably more impactful media falsehood campaign remains wholly unpunished, contrasted with this situation, which is being punished rather dramatically. fairity characterized these two events as directly equivalent ("most here would agree that was equally vile and pu…
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(a) Stuff like this is supremely unhelpful and corrosive to the thread. (b) It's obviously not the case that Jones is getting a sympathetic hearing from this thread; instead, you're noticing mostly the randos posting pro-Jones stuff that lives briefly before being flagged to the bottom of the site.
I think the poster has misidentified most people defending Jones in this thread as fans when they are more likely free speech absolutists who believe any government sanctioned consequence for speech is immoral. They’d likely defend anyone who received a punishment for this type of behavior, Alex Jones just happens to be the man of the hour
This is great news, but we should temper our expectations: It's likely that Jones will appeal and keep this tied up for years before he has to pay anything. Even if he is eventually obligated to pay some amount, it is unlikely to be what the jury just decided. And even if it is what the jury just decided, Jones' company is already "bankrupt" (yet still on the air) and he will almost certainly avoid liability through…
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> the establishment wants to shut Alex down for speaking the truth. What truth did Jones speak?
> This will only send the signal to millions of people, that the establishment wants to shut Alex down for speaking the truth.
I don't think OP is arguing Alex Jones spoke any truths per say, he's arguing that's how it'll be interpreted by his supporters.