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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by daneel_w » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 9:14 PM UTC

hankman86 wrote: post #75

frant-hartm wrote: post #46

When I was a teenager and mobile phones became widely available everyone had Nokia, Siemens or Sony-Ericsson, depending on how well-off the family was, it was either the old or new model. But we customized the phones as much as we could - custom ring melodies, screensavers, custom covers, if the phone didn't allow that then at least some stickers. Everyone wanted to be unique, go against the social norm. Android phon…

Because owning an Android means you‘re poor.

I think the common take on the "Apple tax" is a false impression. A sort of knee-jerk reflex when seeing the price tag, without any further thought. Every brand has a premium product segment with premium price tags. The difference is that Apple doesn't have a budget segment with budget price tags.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by yakak » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 9:15 PM UTC

nsxwolf wrote: post #32

m348e912 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(iPhone user here) It does seem to me that Apple isn't playing fair and this is no longer the technical issue it once was. Apple has so far refused to adopt RCS (the successor to SMS and MMS) which is now an industry standard for text messaging. Because of that, aside from the green bubble, the text messaging experience with non-iPhone users is subpar. Images and videos are compressed and things like tapback and grou…

Given the iPhone's marketshare, is it RCS really the industry standard?

You only need 15.6% of a market to claim there are no standards?

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by nsxwolf » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 9:15 PM UTC

lijogdfljk wrote: post #69

nsxwolf wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the iPhone's marketshare, is it RCS really the industry standard?

Does the iPhone have a standard that other phones could adopt? Ie is your argument that Apple has been pushing an alternate standard, but Google is rejecting it? If so what is it?

I could argue the industry standard for interoperable messaging is still MMS. Because Apple.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by higgins » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 9:15 PM UTC

eternityforest wrote: post #87

This stuff scares me a bit, both because green bubble culture is creepy, and because I really do not want iOS to become the dominant mobile OS just as Android is becoming one of the most amazing platforms out there.

Would love to hear your thoughts on what makes Android "one of the most amazing platforms out there"?

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by grosswait » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 9:15 PM UTC

fortylove wrote: post #44

I tried avoiding the iPhone bandwagon for practically a decade, going from flip phone to the HTC Droid Incredible, to some HTC M , to Samsung S4, and then a series of Pixel phones, starting with the OG Pixel, and ending with the Pixel 3. I have to say: besides a few clunky swipe experiences, the iPhone is better in every single way. The camera opens when I click the camera button. The phone pairs wonderfully with my…

I was forced to iPhone 18 months ago and while it isn’t as bad as I’d feared, notifications just don’t seem right to me on iOS. I’m constantly missing things that I never would have on a Pixel.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by 369548684892826 » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 9:15 PM UTC

gtvwill wrote: post #41

1/3 of my kids have iPhone. The use of iPhones amongst them and their peers is directly related to their level of IT/Tech knowhow. Long story short the kids on android are probably gonna wind up building the tech the kids on apple consume. Or atleast that's how it's playing out amongst them atm. iPhone kids legit just take photos and short vidyas mostly of themselves. It's like you can correlate an iPhone with a toxi…

Doesn't match what I see. Tech knowhow is more likely correlated to whether the kid has a laptop or PC to play with rather than what OS is on their phone.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by kcb » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 9:15 PM UTC

dalyons wrote: post #96

m348e912 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(iPhone user here) It does seem to me that Apple isn't playing fair and this is no longer the technical issue it once was. Apple has so far refused to adopt RCS (the successor to SMS and MMS) which is now an industry standard for text messaging. Because of that, aside from the green bubble, the text messaging experience with non-iPhone users is subpar. Images and videos are compressed and things like tapback and grou…

RCS is awful. It’s an out-of-date, encumbered “standard” with poor global commonality in adoption. It exists for one reason only - because US carriers wanted some way to keep charging per message like their old sms cash cow, instead of being reduced to just proving dumb internet piping. Despite that, the carriers couldnt even agree amongst themselves on the "standard" RCS features to deploy for 10 years or so, until…

US carries haven't charged per message in like a decade.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by TGRush » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 9:15 PM UTC

hankman86 wrote: post #65

It’s about status more than anything else. A teen‘s greatest fear is that owning an Android makes you un-effable.

Reading through comments like these really makes me appreciate how this entire iPhone culture thing really didn't swing over to where I live.

It really sounds like a nightmare.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by asciimov » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 9:15 PM UTC

Best things about the iPhone:

- long term support - can expect a new device to get 5-6 years of Apple Updates

- AppleCare

- better build quality than cheap android devices

- Reasonable expectation that required software will support it

- Not having to listen to a teen complain about what their friends have that they don't

- Finally, Updates, APPLE SUPPORTED UPDATES! - I'm really salty that my android phones had to be rooted and have another OS installed just to get basic security updates after 12-18 months.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by KerrAvon » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 9:15 PM UTC

TobyTheDog123 wrote: post #77

gtvwill wrote: post #41

1/3 of my kids have iPhone. The use of iPhones amongst them and their peers is directly related to their level of IT/Tech knowhow. Long story short the kids on android are probably gonna wind up building the tech the kids on apple consume. Or atleast that's how it's playing out amongst them atm. iPhone kids legit just take photos and short vidyas mostly of themselves. It's like you can correlate an iPhone with a toxi…

What a weird generalization.

Ironically, it's a very Silicon Valley privileged child POV. The anecdotal observation is that some smart kids, usually the hardware-oriented tinkerers, use Androids because they're more customizable. It's certainly not universal.