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Alex Jones told to pay $965M damages to Sandy Hook victims' families

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Re: Alex Jones told to pay $965M damages to Sandy Hook victims' families

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HN doesn't like these kinds of questions. You're right - it is OK as long as he's not profiting nor has a bullhorn the size of his. Otherwise, Wolfgang Halbig would be in the same kind of shit. He isn't.

HN isn't one guy with coherent views... But anyway, it's not a very good question because it isn't plausibly serious nor logically related to the previous post.

When group censorship creates a lack of diversity that's exactly what it becomes.

Re: Alex Jones told to pay $965M damages to Sandy Hook victims' families

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He made hundreds of millions of dollars spreading his lies. He shouldn't profit from that, and should be forced to give all the revenue to the families he effected with his lies. You shouldn't be able to profit off of others misery like that, get caught out, and then go whoopsy and pay a small percentage of all the money you made off of it. That just encourages you and others to do it again.

Would it be ok if he wasn’t profiting from it?

No. But it would be less bad.

Re: Alex Jones told to pay $965M damages to Sandy Hook victims' families

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First amendment has limitations. Saying fire in a movie theater, for example. Multiple courts in a number of separate jurisdictions have ruled that the first amendment does not protect Jones in these cases

That's actually a kind of poor example. The tort of defamation is much more clearly outside of constitutional protection.

Re: Alex Jones told to pay $965M damages to Sandy Hook victims' families

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> If someone said something about me that was patently laughably untrue, something that no sane person would believe, I'd just shrug it off.

If it were one ordinary person making those accusations to a small group of their friends and acquaintances who also knew you and could see for themselves that those accusations were false, that'd be one thing.

When the person making those accusations is a celebrity, broadcasting those accusations to an audience of millions who know nothing else about you, that's quite another matter.

Re: Alex Jones told to pay $965M damages to Sandy Hook victims' families

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Alex Jones did a lot more than that. His defaming the families of dead kids resulted in his followers and supporters harassing those people. The harassers need to be held civilly and criminally liable, too. But Jones persisted over years in encouraging this harassment.

While profiting from it and knowing he was lying.

Re: Alex Jones told to pay $965M damages to Sandy Hook victims' families

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"CIVIL-RIGHTS LAWYER NARRATOR: But punitive-damages awards aren’t dischargeable in bankruptcy. So Alex Jones will be paying off these debts from wage garnishments, attachments, & sheriff’s sales of his stuff for the rest of his wretched, pathetic, worthless life." from: https://twitter.com/SubodhChandra/status/1580285453348921344

These aren't punitive damages, though the bankruptcy code cite there seems really to be about damages from any intentional tort. My understanding --- someone has been following this part of the case more closely than me and can correct --- is that the bankruptcy stuff isn't as much about shielding Jones or Free Speech Systems directly as it is about facilitating moving most/all of Jones and FSS's assets off their books.

Re: Alex Jones told to pay $965M damages to Sandy Hook victims' families

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Does the "reasonable person believes it" test apply when numerous people did believe it and engaged in a campaign of harassment and threats against the families? Yes, those people were not reasonable, but on the other hand since Jones runs a snake-oil sales outfit, it's also notable that these are exactly the people he intends to attract. Unstable extremists are his target audience.

He professionally cultivates an army of nitwits for profit, and then weaponizes them just to keep engaged in his product.

Re: Alex Jones told to pay $965M damages to Sandy Hook victims' families

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In this case there is demonstrable harm here. The Sandyhook parents have had their lives threatened and confronted by strangers both on the street and in their home due to Jone's words - the problem is there were a lot of unreasonable people who very much believed Jones and while you claim you would, you wouldn't just shrug this off. His accusations made their lives unsafe by sullying their reputation with irrational…

I don't think holding a person accountable for another person's irrational behaviour is reasonable though. If you tell me "it's going to rain" and I take that as a call to attack people with umbrellas, is that your fault?

Re: Alex Jones told to pay $965M damages to Sandy Hook victims' families

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The more I think about it, the less concerned I am that there's one less controlled oppo nutcase out there. His Sandy Hook stuff was so stupid and unhelpful that it just had to be an act similar to the old Phelps "GOD HATES [insert any group here]" people of yesteryear.

The problem of course, is that lies (in the technical sense) are pretty common and often much more damaging that this fluff up. There's a lot of billions that could change hands if the lawsuits all went up at once. But really, they won't all go up at once--it will be the political undesirables only.

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