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Yes, this is an idiotic decision that makes me question the decisions being made as a whole by Signal. Does anyone have recommendations for a good default SMS app on Android?
Posted elsewhere in this thread but... Personally like TextraSMS. Has a free ad-supported version, but I paid to remove ads when it was on sale several years ago (maybe $1). 4.4 stars. I believe it's $3 or $5 to remove ads now. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.textra Also surprised me the other day when a friend used an iOS reaction, and it applied it correctly on my end. > Added support for Reaction…
Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)
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#354> supports plain SMS/MMS to function as a unified messenger So this is now a lie. This decision absolutely goes against how users actually use the software. Tone deaf and insulting. More cases of Signal saying "we know better than you. You're using it wrong. Do what we say.
This announcement totally squares with my experience trying multiple times to fix their MMS implementation. It was at that point that I stopped using Signal for SMS, since I knew it wasn't important to them
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I also deplore this. I hope it's communicated well to users who aren't readers of Signal's blog. I have relatives who use Signal, and they rely on its fallback-to-SMS feature, possibly without fully understanding it. I'll make sure they understand and are aware of this change, but others may be in the same position.
I fear Signal will follow their recent trend of ignoring unanimous user-base complaints a la Mobilecoin, fdroid, and third-party clients.
https://community.signalusers.org/t/dont-want-pin-dont-want-...
Even when security concerns were brought up:
https://community.signalusers.org/t/proper-secure-value-secu...
Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)
#356I've been using Signal for a long time. I have repeatedly been unable to convince iOS users to use Signal because "I don't want another app". Android users have been much more willing to give it a shot. As an android user myself, I much prefer having SMS built in because I use the search feature often to look back through all my SMS/Signal chats. I also regularly forward an SMS message to a Signal user, or vice versa…
Here's how I've convinced my iPhone friends. I tell them if they actually want to send pictures and videos to me that aren't potato quality they can either switch to an Android, email me, or use Signal. At this point Signal is more like a cross platform iMessage. This tends to move people over because Apple's walled garden makes group chats infeasible with mixed devices.
Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)
#357(How many current users will it drive away? Or cause to use Signal less than before?)
(How many new users will Signal acquire, because adoption network effects weren't working as well as possible, when messaging with non-Signal friends was too convenient, but now Signal users are more motivated to prod their non-Signal friends towards Signal?)
And who's going to pick up the users that Signal loses?
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Since there’s no server storing media, consider saving the stuff you want and dumping all the old photos and video you don’t. It’s a more secure communication tool, not an archive.
I'd take a decent "export my chats" option. I have chat history that goes back years that it's often convenient to be able to search. I'd love to be able to move it off the device, but instead the Signal backup just keeps getting larger and larger. To be clear, Signal allows you to backup and restore back into Signal on android, which is great. What I meant is that it would be helpful to be able to export that conten…
> but instead the Signal backup just keeps getting larger and larger...
One begets the other.
> I'd love to be able to move it off the device
If you don't want infinite history, set a conversation length limit. It is in the storage settings.
If you want to backup messages on iOS go complain here[0]. For Android, you already have this ability.
[0]https://community.signalusers.org/t/ios-backup-keeping-messa...
Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)
#360I have been using Signal for years. The ability to make it your default SMS client is one of the major drivers of adoption; if someone agrees that privacy matters, and you can point out that the transition to Signal is frictionless and offers all the same features as their existing SMS app, then installing, trying, and liking it become easy. I've brought hundreds of people onto Signal, and being able to give a simple 'yes' to questions about whether it handles SMS is almost always what 'seals the deal.'
Signal is saying that mixing non-secure and secure messages in the same app might cause confusion and security fails, even though the difference is very clearly signalled.
Their argument is bullshit. If users go back to separate messaging apps, chances are those apps will look much the same as Signal (which itself copies the look and feel of the iOS messaging app quite closely). There's a much bigger security risk from users forgetting that they are not in Signal and carelessly pasting & sending information that was supposed to be private or disappear.
Additionally, it creates a bunch of new security risks, allowing third parties who gain possession of a phone to distinguish between conversations that happen over SMS and conversations that happen over Signal, drawing inferences that there is something untoward about the latter.
I cannot understand the constantly changing, er, signals coming from Signal. One month they want to be just like every other messaging app and they're pushing features that hardly anyone has asked for, like sticker packs or crypto payments. Other times they say users are too paranoid for not wanting to expose their phone number/pop up messages about who in the user's address book has installed Signal. Today they're saying that wanting to use Signal for all your messaging needs is somehow anti-privacy.
I find myself wishing it cost money or a small annual subscription so I could vote with my $, because the Signal foundation seems to spend more effort on telling its users that they're wrong than on listening to them.