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Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

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Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

#51
post #22

Can anyone recommend a good SMS Android app?

I've used ChompSMS ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.p1.chompsm... ) for the past 10 years or so, side-by-side with Signal. I prefer keeping secure messaging and insecure messaging separate.

Thanks!

Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

#52

> If you do use Signal as your default SMS app on Android, you will need to select a new default SMS app on your phone. If you want to keep them, you’ll also need to export your SMS messages from Signal into that new app. This messaging seems a little tone-deaf, given that there is no way to export SMS messages from Signal . Apparently it's possible, using a third-party piece of software, to decrypt your backups and…

They are enabling the ability to export SMS from signal now: https://community.signalusers.org/t/beta-feedback-for-the-up...

Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

#54
This is terrible. Most of my social network is not yet on Signal, but using a single app for all my communication makes my life so much easier. Signal was always promised as the one-app that everyone could use even if their network was not using Signal.

Is anyone NOT inside Signal happy about this decision? Please comment if so, and why.

Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

#55

This is an awful decision. I've converted some friends and family to Signal over the past years (it took a while) and it is now their default messaging app on their phones. This is going to confuse them and is going to make it difficult for me to keep convincing them that Signal is the route to use. ("Why do I need 3 apps (Android Messages, Signal, Whatsapp) to talk to people?")

Signal seem to have adopted the "Decisions, not Options"[^1] route way too well, so don't act surprised.

This is why we need at least open source clients that can be forked when these decisions are made.

[^1]: https://wordpress.org/about/philosophy/

Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

#56
This was one of the core features of using Signal for me. I wish they had implemented RCS and more features for SMS instead of removing it. I'm very disappointed with this feature.

As a side note, I'm on the beta, and recently got "Signal Stories". This immensely annoyed me, and had to dig through to remove it (since it wasn't obvious). After the whole crypto thing and these decisions, it might be time to find another secure messaging app.

Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

#57
post #27

I support this decision, I don't use SMS and I'm in support of everything that kills SMS. Next step: Please stop using phone numbers as a user ID. I have lots of throwaway phone numbers, but many people don't want to leak their phone number to every single person they want to have an encrypted conversation with.

Yeah, I'll just tell the gas company, electric company, internet provider, my bank, my elderly neighbor who can barely use a phone and I taught how to text, every restaurant I order online from, the plumber I just texted literally an hour ago due to a pipe leaking to just... not use SMS. I'm sure they'll listen.

I assume you live in a place where SMS isn't necessary? In the U.S. it is.

Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

#58
It's already bad enough that I would never be able to convince family today to switch to Signal due to the removal of SMS history importing and now you want to remove the ability to send/receive SMS via Signal too? Good job guaranteeing you just cratered any additional growth of your userbase.

I've always wondered how companies become so blind to what their userbase actually wants and needs (looking at the majority of the rest of the comments here that seem to echo my sentiment as well) that we end up in situations like this. I guess "you die a hero or live long enough to become the villain" applies to apps too.

Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

#59
One bright side of this is that Android's (Google's) Messages app has been pushing hard on RCS (the intended successor to SMS) and by default now does auto-upgrade to end-to-end encryption with any other messages users. If you're using signal, you don't get that auto-upgrade, so for conversations with anyone using a "default" google phone setup you were actually getting less net security on your comms compared to using the default SMS app.

I noticed this when I got a new phone and hadn't yet enabled signal to handle SMS and opted to stay with it because of how many conversations I had that were auto-E2E, where before they'd just been text messages. I still prefer signal for the people I know use it though. In short you can still use the signal (protocol at least) on messages, so I can understand why signal would do this.

Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

#60

This is an awful decision. I've converted some friends and family to Signal over the past years (it took a while) and it is now their default messaging app on their phones. This is going to confuse them and is going to make it difficult for me to keep convincing them that Signal is the route to use. ("Why do I need 3 apps (Android Messages, Signal, Whatsapp) to talk to people?")

Sounds like more messaging app proliferation will lead to services like Texts.com / Matrix get even more popular.
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