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Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by microtonal »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #149
microtonal wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People don't know better (yes, they really don't) Or maybe VS Code is just really good? I was skeptical for a long time as well. I am a longtime Emacs and JetBrains IDE user (starting with IntelliJ in 2013). A while back I gave VS Code a try again. I primarily used CLion for Rust and PyCharm. And I found that the Rust/Python is at least as good as in CLion/PyCharm (with the exception of Cython). And thanks to VS Code…

> And I found that the Rust/Python is at least as good as in CLion/PyCharm I think Rust support is comparable (probably because they both use rust-analyzer). I've found the opposite for Python. PyCharm is WAY smarter than VS Code.

I don’t think CLion uses rust-analyzer. IIRC it uses their own thing which was developed by the same person who later made rust-analyzer.

Edit: more info:

https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/8182-rust/docs/rust-faq...

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by vladvasiliu »

mike_hearn wrote: post #148
lolinder wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the possibility of your tooling being discontinued is a real concern for you, paying for a Jetbrains license is your best bet. Their entire business is developer tooling: IntelliJ isn't going away until Jetbrains goes under, and they're not going under until people stop paying them. Microsoft, on the other hand, could decide to drop VSCode at any point as soon as the bean counters start questioning how it's benefi…

It's worth noting that JetBrains has a long history of successfully competing against free IDEs, which were normally always more popular than IntelliJ. First there was NetBeans (bought and open sourced by Sun very early), then there was Eclipse (developed and open sourced by IBM), now there is VSCode. Heck there are probably others I don't know about. So, this is nothing new for them. Usually what happens is that aft…

> The question VSCode users might wonder about is what's Microsoft's strategy here? They have plenty of money, but then again so did Sun/Oracle and IBM. Is there a long term commercial plan to let the VSCode team justify themselves.

Exactly, especially since VSCode is also an "open-core" product, just like JetBrain's products (the community versions are open-source).

The difference is that the other parts are still free, as in beer. But this is precisely what makes the offer weird to me and makes me think there's a shady angle being played.

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by hbn »

Seems pretty slick from what I've played with so far. I don't need anything fancy, I kinda just want something to replace my usecase for VS Code which is a quick-to-open text editor that I don't need a PhD in in order to use effectively. For getting work done I'll continue to use IntelliJ, but sometimes I just need to edit a file or open a directory of files and don't want to open a big IDE for that and have it start indexing things.

Slightly disappointed they've changed the default key mappings? I went to open a file with cmd+shift+o but that immediately launched a symbol search and I have to hit cmd-p to open a file search.

Seems like the git comparison UI is worse. Aside from it stacking up a giant list of diffs, it seems very simple, like Github's PR diff UI. Not doing the nice thing where it shows which lines map to which lines in the changes. I'll chock that up to being a preview.

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by borissk »

ta988 wrote: post #137
borissk wrote: post #127

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[off topic] Are you guys affected by the situation in Russia, or have all JetBrains employees left the country already?

They have stated their position really clearly (and much more clearly than most companies): https://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2022/03/11/jetbrains-stateme...

I wasn't asking about the company position...

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by ddorian43 »

nigerianbrince wrote: post #156
ddorian43 wrote: post #130

> Run in a performant virtual machine with up to: 16 CPU cores 32 GB Memory 40 GB Disk Drive Literally my laptop that I bought for $1300 3 years ago.

Model?

Acer predator helios 300 (was $1000), 12vcores, 256GB NVME, upgraded to 32GB ram.

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by hbn »

mi_lk wrote: post #164

I like the fleet light/dark theme, can JetBrains put it as a plugin so I can use it in other JB products?

I want Darcula back. It's the only dark theme I've ever liked in any piece of software.

It's grey instead of black so it doesn't hurt my eyes, and the color contrasts for symbol highlighting and whatnot are very well tuned.

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by yrgulation »

alejoar wrote: post #160
yrgulation wrote: post #97

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The price of acquisition is 0$ but costs telemetry and branding. So microsoft is charging you for this just not money. Even if that wouldnt be the case microsoft did distribute ie and the media player for free, so there is precedence. It may not be distributed part of the os but it is a product set at a price that severely undercuts competition. Worse even the product is developed using free labour yet microsoft bene…

VSCode is open source and you are free to alter it (MIT license), removing those parts that you say Microsoft is using to "charge" you. Or just use vscodium.

I'll just use intellij products to support engineering companies.

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by eddiezane »

krzyk wrote: post #92

I wonder if it would be possible to use vim as the UI and connect to the backend of Fleet - best of both worlds.

This is my dream. Being able to use Fleet/JetBrains's backend as an LSP/DAP for Neovim. It sounds like the architecture is there with Fleet. Please JetBrains friends!

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by TheCondor »

MikhailVink wrote: post #116
_fat_santa wrote: post #45

This looks really promising. But by far the biggest moat that Jetbrains is going to have to cross to get into VSCode territory is the plugin ecosystem. Personally I work on React projects so my first thought was: "is there a Prettier[1] plugin?". Looking through the landing page it looks like Plugins are in the works but until that is implemented, it's going to be hard adopting it. ALSO I just noticed this but can so…

JetBrains employee here, and I can clarify the point about “Requires login and periodic connection to JetBrains servers to verify the project”. If you are using Fleet in a Free (hobby) mode, we are verifying that the project comply with one of three criteria: 1. your project is local (no Git or Git Remote). 2. your project is public on GitHub. 3. your project is private but has less than 3 committers. In this case, w…

Emacs keys would be awesome...
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