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Spot on. I wonder if daughters of Barrack Obama will get preferrential treatment as diversity hires. As women of color, they definitely should, according to many companies' policies.
What if that treatment is a necessary counter-weight to being taken less seriously?
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They do exist... the fact that they are not biological does not mean they do not exist. They have a social-historical reality. They exist in the minds of people making decisions, overtly or not. Trying to become conscious of that and counter it, and (of course imperfectly) correct for some past wrongs due to it, is what this is about.
Are you going to address anything I said or just carte blanche reject it without rationale?
Groups made of inexperienced young folks tend to make products for inexperienced young folks. People code what they know. While marketeers would support this, there’s still a lot of money out there that’s help by less desirable groups of people. And needs that aren’t relatable to these developers.
Maybe the question is why the leftists are so influential that for-profit companies are willing to comply with their ideology. Isn't the best way to increase the representation of minorities is to increase the funnel? Better schools, better teachers, more rigorous curriculum for all instead of for the elite students, a whole new culture that values curiosity and geekiness in general, and eventually a larger number of…
Sadly it is rare that people will hold management responsible in such cases.
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> What does that mean? Worrying that kids may not be able to get into a decent school because they're not diverse enough seems like a a nice problem to have--parents of "diverse" children have much larger worries. > Just about anyone can get into a school, or get a job. Wouldn't that mean that based on the equality of outcomes, it doesn't matter what type of school OP's kids go to, and therefore no reason to worry.
I’m not sure what a “diverse” parent is or how you would know their mind. I expect that all parents, regardless of demographic factors, worry about their kid getting a good job and going to school.
I'm not concerned about that. A workplace that cares about diversity will not discriminate based on schooling. If businesses are imposing fake diversity measures to embolden certain ethnic groups, my child is no doubt doomed either way, so I would be more troubled if all that time and money was wasted.
Maybe the question is why the leftists are so influential that for-profit companies are willing to comply with their ideology. Isn't the best way to increase the representation of minorities is to increase the funnel? Better schools, better teachers, more rigorous curriculum for all instead of for the elite students, a whole new culture that values curiosity and geekiness in general, and eventually a larger number of…
Oh, that’s easy. Because you wind up with a better, more productive company when you put forth the considerable effort necessary to increase diversity. It’s winning in the marketplace because it’s better. You’re 100% right about the funnel, but here’s the thing: junior positions are part of the funnel. About ten years ago I realized that I was screwing up massively by interviewing for current skill level instead of p…
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They are. kardianos is observing that the situation is very similar, that history is rhyming if not repeating. Woke racism/sexism (DEI) is frequently referred to as neo-Marxism or cultural Marxism because when examined it turns out to be closely related to Marxist thought, with race/gender/sexual attributes substituted for class. Beyond this somewhat trivial difference there are many clear similarities: 1. The insist…
> The insistence that any inequality of outcome is caused by unjust oppression, and not anything else. Wholly untrue. Inequality happens for a whole mess of reasons, including individual ability and interest, it's just not exclusive to that either. > The belief that the fix for that perceived oppression is itself oppression, but the other way around. We're probably going to disagree on the definition of oppression, b…
I work at a different FAANG and it seems like more and more the only news that we get from corporate is related to DEI. Also a lot of hiring details are now hidden from ICs. It used to be that you would be apart of the interview panel as an interviewer and then you would get together with your team afterwards and everyone on the team would vote yes/no and that would pretty much be it. Now it’s made by a manager elsew…
> Now we’ve had the rug swapped from underneath us. Some state authorities and companies like Microsoft are racist. You have to call them that even if there are people behind these programs that just mean well. But you cannot compromise on that accusation. If you do, you will lose that discussion. Simple politics and management 101 and this is just a dirty political game. Yes, Microsoft is a racist company. Exposé 1…
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Ok, so we distinguish between "good racism" and "bad racism" then? Absurd. Sorry but I do not make that distinction: racism is bad no matter what your ancestor did and it's despicable. Also, *stop* assuming that the whole world has the same historical context as the US.
> Ok, so we distinguish between "good racism" and "bad racism" then? How uncharitable. I never said either racism was bad, just that one has less weight behind it. > Also, stop assuming that the whole world has the same historical context as the US. This is a thread about a US based company so assuming the historical context of the US matters is fair. Also anti-black racism exists across the world.
> This is a thread about a US based company so assuming the historical context of the US matters is fair.
I was talking in general terms given that I've encountered this US ideological racist garbage in many places at this point.
> Also anti-black racism exists across the world.
Not at least where I'm originally from (Africa).
I cannot get my head around any of these arguments other than pure and simple indoctrination. As soon as you apply basic common sensical logical reasoning to it, you see how outrageous and ridiculous is.