iPhone Ownership Among U.S. Teens Hits 87% • Hacker News Board

Re: iPhone Ownership Among U.S. Teens Hits 87%

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Post by anotherrandom » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 1:47 AM UTC

Spivak wrote: post #9

kcb wrote: post #7

Yea that's what happens when Apple teams up with teens to bully anyone without an iPhone.

It really does suck to be in group chats with Android users, pictures get downsized, "Person loved 'message'", voice memos don't work, you can't see people's dnd status, no deliver quietly, no typing indicators or read receipts. You can't airdrop to them, or share iCloud notes, or contribute to shared photo albums. Facetime is far and away the best video calling experience that exists. Android phones just aren't good…

I thought the pictures being downsized was due to compression to more easily go through SMS whereas iMessage is an internet-based chat, not just because "Android bad"

Re: iPhone Ownership Among U.S. Teens Hits 87%

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Post by bfrog » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 2:02 AM UTC

Android is losing a generation, not a good sign for competition. I like my iPhone like many others I’m sure, but without competition it’s likely to stagnate and worse potentially have even higher price points.

Re: iPhone Ownership Among U.S. Teens Hits 87%

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Post by 42e6e8c8-f7b8-4 » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 2:09 AM UTC

hankman86 wrote: post #18

Nothing gives it away more clearly that you’re undateable than your Android phone.

So hilarious. My car probably does too. And my other frugal behaviors. Guess I'll keep buying assets instead of liabilities.

Re: iPhone Ownership Among U.S. Teens Hits 87%

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Post by theptip » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 2:11 AM UTC

GeekyBear wrote: post #19

Teknoman117 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with chat experience is that it's really, truly not Android's fault, it's Apple's. It sucks because Apple wants it to suck to push iOS and macOS sales. Pretty useless blaming Android for that. I have managed to push most of the people I know to not use SMS or iMessage and use Signal - we can all have a high quality chat and media sharing experience with a comparable (or superior) security model on whateve…

> The problem with chat experience is that it's really, truly not Android's fault, it's Apple's. Apple forced Google to screw up it's messaging strategy for all these years? >Google has been unable to field a stable, competitive messaging platform for years and has thoroughly lost the messaging war to products with a long-term strategy. At least some divisions inside the company are waking up to how damaging this is…

The article you link mentions Google asking Apple to use RCS, which is the industry standard for messaging interop these days, not SMS. Apple has so far declined, so nobody can function in their Messages app.

Re: iPhone Ownership Among U.S. Teens Hits 87%

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Post by i67vw3 » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 2:13 AM UTC

delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #12

Among *American teens

In recent years/months I too have seen teen (youngsters) floating around their Iphones, half way around the world. The numbers have increased considerably around 10% in teens from 1% few years back.

They mainly buy it as iphone is considered 'Posh', a sign of your class.

There is no way for them to use imessage as everyone uses Whatsapp, no way to use facetime as everyone uses Whatsapp Call and for these buyers no way to use apple premium apps as they cost large amount of money while google products are free.

A funny thing happened was when PUBG was banned here by government, it was removed by apple app store and google play store. But android users were still able to play PUBG by downloading and installing APK from web while apple users were not able to do it as according to apple 'Only hackers use Sideloading'. So, it was funny to watch at time android users gloating over iphone users.

Re: iPhone Ownership Among U.S. Teens Hits 87%

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Post by GeekyBear » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 2:23 AM UTC

theptip wrote: post #24

GeekyBear wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The problem with chat experience is that it's really, truly not Android's fault, it's Apple's. Apple forced Google to screw up it's messaging strategy for all these years? >Google has been unable to field a stable, competitive messaging platform for years and has thoroughly lost the messaging war to products with a long-term strategy. At least some divisions inside the company are waking up to how damaging this is…

The article you link mentions Google asking Apple to use RCS, which is the industry standard for messaging interop these days, not SMS. Apple has so far declined, so nobody can function in their Messages app.

>RCS, which is the industry standard

The article I linked to points out that RCS, as used by Google today, is a proprietary closed source fork of RCS that Google has refused to create a public API for.

>Google's version of RCS—the one promoted on the website with Google-exclusive features like optional encryption—is definitely proprietary, by the way.

If this is supposed to be a standard, there's no way for a third-party to use Google's RCS APIs right now. Some messaging apps, like Beeper, have asked Google about integrating RCS and were told there's no public RCS API and no plans to build one.

If you want to implement RCS, you'll need to run the messages through some kind of service, and who provides that server? It will probably be Google.

So the pitch for Apple to adopt RCS isn't just this public-good nonsense about making texts with Android users better; it's also about running Apple's messages through Google servers. Google profits in both server fees and data acquisition.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/new-google-site-begs...

Re: iPhone Ownership Among U.S. Teens Hits 87%

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Post by alden5 » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 2:26 AM UTC

Dracophoenix wrote: post #20

stjohnswarts wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They either buy used or a couple generation old. I've never paid more than $350 for an iphone myself. If you don't "have to have" cutting edge, then older phones are fine.

How old is old in this case? 1 or 2 generations of the lowest (SE) or second lowest (mini/regular) tiers?

i just got a 12 mini for $350

Re: iPhone Ownership Among U.S. Teens Hits 87%

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Post by Tagbert » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 2:58 AM UTC

zaik wrote: post #11

Spivak wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really does suck to be in group chats with Android users, pictures get downsized, "Person loved 'message'", voice memos don't work, you can't see people's dnd status, no deliver quietly, no typing indicators or read receipts. You can't airdrop to them, or share iCloud notes, or contribute to shared photo albums. Facetime is far and away the best video calling experience that exists. Android phones just aren't good…

No wonder Apple dropped XMPP support when walled gardens are much more effetive for market capture.

Do Google’s chat apps support XMPP? Would it help iMessage connect to Android’s chat(s)?

Re: iPhone Ownership Among U.S. Teens Hits 87%

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Post by Manuel_D » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 3:00 AM UTC

Teknoman117 wrote: post #17

Spivak wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really does suck to be in group chats with Android users, pictures get downsized, "Person loved 'message'", voice memos don't work, you can't see people's dnd status, no deliver quietly, no typing indicators or read receipts. You can't airdrop to them, or share iCloud notes, or contribute to shared photo albums. Facetime is far and away the best video calling experience that exists. Android phones just aren't good…

The problem with chat experience is that it's really, truly not Android's fault, it's Apple's. It sucks because Apple wants it to suck to push iOS and macOS sales. Pretty useless blaming Android for that. I have managed to push most of the people I know to not use SMS or iMessage and use Signal - we can all have a high quality chat and media sharing experience with a comparable (or superior) security model on whateve…

https://www.droid-life.com/2021/04/08/apple-android-imessage...

> the #1 most difficult [reason] to leave the Apple universe app is iMessage. . . iMessage amounts to serious lock-in,” Schiller commented that “moving iMessage to Android will hurt us more than help us, this email illustrates why.”

They know it's lock-in, and won't be fixing it any time soon.

Granted, moving to Whatsapp would resolve this but then you're using a Meta product.

Re: iPhone Ownership Among U.S. Teens Hits 87%

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Post by Fezzik » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 3:14 AM UTC

Dracophoenix wrote: post #10

Spivak wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really does suck to be in group chats with Android users, pictures get downsized, "Person loved 'message'", voice memos don't work, you can't see people's dnd status, no deliver quietly, no typing indicators or read receipts. You can't airdrop to them, or share iCloud notes, or contribute to shared photo albums. Facetime is far and away the best video calling experience that exists. Android phones just aren't good…

> Android phones just aren't good enough to be worth the switch, especially when they're the same price. I've never paid more than $300 for an iPhone. Where, if I may ask, do you get such a good deal?

In the last decade I have never paid more than $0.00 for an iPhone. Just wait for mobile carriers to offer free phones. I switched from T-Mobile to Verizon 2 weeks ago and got a 128gig iPhone 13 mini for free. I actually wanted the SE because I like the home button but it was $400 some bucks. Carriers are constantly having promos like that when they have excess stock, the promos are just not always advertised.