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Post by fortylove »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #81
c7DJTLrn wrote: post #14

When you realise Reddit is moderated by unpaid megalomaniacs and teenagers, everything starts to fall into place. In some ways Reddit is worse than Facebook because it is influenced by anonymous entities with zero checks and balances.

> In some ways Reddit is worse than Facebook because it is influenced by anonymous entities with zero checks and balances. The discourse in many subreddits is invisibly dictated by the moderators. It's not obvious when you browse posts because everything is organically coming from random people. However, moderators can entirely shape the conversation by only allowing posts that say what they want. In other words: The…

100% agreed. The /r/cycling subreddit is unexpectedly one of the worst offenders, from what I've encountered. Many removed comments and posts. Anything remotely seen as critical of any aspect of cycling (even coming from avid cyclists!) is immediately removed.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by shagie »

wsb_mod2 wrote: post #95
pnathan wrote: post #41

reddit mod management is a bit haywire. I am mod at a rather largish subreddit (> 750K subs/readers), and despite the top mod being gone from the subreddit for something like 6? years now and virtually inactive on reddit, I can't get him removed. I've gone through channels but, sigh.

When did you go through the process? Reddit recently updated its top mod removal process (recently as in 5 days ago) and dramatically weakened requirements for removing top mods. More information on that here: https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/xwim7v/updates_to_...

As an aside, there was some drama on /r/CSCareerQuestionsEU that spilled over into /r/CSCareerQuestions around a month ago ( https://old.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestionsEU/comments/xjbixl... and https://old.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/xoq0uu/r... https://www.unddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/xoq0uu/r... )

The EU one isn't large, but the regular one is approaching 1M.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by Scalene2 »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #81
c7DJTLrn wrote: post #14

When you realise Reddit is moderated by unpaid megalomaniacs and teenagers, everything starts to fall into place. In some ways Reddit is worse than Facebook because it is influenced by anonymous entities with zero checks and balances.

> In some ways Reddit is worse than Facebook because it is influenced by anonymous entities with zero checks and balances. The discourse in many subreddits is invisibly dictated by the moderators. It's not obvious when you browse posts because everything is organically coming from random people. However, moderators can entirely shape the conversation by only allowing posts that say what they want. In other words: The…

Best example is r/legaladvice. Good luck getting any advice on dealing with corrupt law enforcement.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by brnaftr361 »

schoen wrote: post #53
shadowgovt wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And that's going to have a titanic political-shift effect once those young folks come to voting age and start shaping policy around intellectual property ownership.

In the early-2000s "copyfight", many people theorized that the apparent support of young people for the "low-protectionist" side, or their enthusiasm for P2P file-sharing, or remixing, or fan fiction, was presaging a radical shift in copyright law once those young people grew up. A lot of them have grown up now and that shift doesn't seem to have happened on the legal side. Maybe there are some shifts in norms (e.g.…

Depends on how you define "young people", the average age of the US congress is 58 and Senate at 64. If the people I know in that age bracket are representative, they certainly don't exist in the "peer domain" that even has a conception of what we're discussing, even less so in the context of digital/software shit.

We're talking from 1958-1964, in particular (predominately) the "elite" class of people born in that period who became successful career politicians, who are arguably (though not much of one when considering the evolution of IP law...) beholden to lobbyists which is just a convoluted way to say corporate interests or arm twisting from their peers...

So no, young people aren't in control, and the ones that are will ostensibly be borne to power from their favorable starting position which means they're probably going to follow the trajectory and preserve the status quo.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by skrbjc »

MrsPeaches wrote: post #30
baxtr wrote: post #22

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Yeah, because they want to save on mod costs, I guess. Related to that: I am wondering, does @dang get a monthly paycheck for his incredible work?

Article about him here: https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-silicon-valley/th...

This says a lot about the biases of many journalists and why you are likely not getting a neutral viewpoint from many of them:

"Picturing the moderators responsible for steering conversation on Hacker News, I imagined a team of men who proudly self-identify as neoliberals and are active in the effective-altruism movement. (I assumed they’d be white men; it never occurred to me that women, or people of color, could be behind the site.) Meeting them, I feared, would be like participating in a live-action comment thread about the merits of Amazon Web Services or whether women should be referred to as “females.” “Debate us!” I imagined them saying, in unison, from their Aeron chairs."

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by datalopers »

c7DJTLrn wrote: post #14

When you realise Reddit is moderated by unpaid megalomaniacs and teenagers, everything starts to fall into place. In some ways Reddit is worse than Facebook because it is influenced by anonymous entities with zero checks and balances.

HN is moderated by upvotes/downvotes in a similar fashion. Hivemind floats to the top the most mundane of viewpoints.

imo, we need to eliminate upvotes/downvotes and just have a single flag/report type system for vitriolic content.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by wsb_mod2 »

nonbirithm wrote: post #129
gfd wrote: post #89

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Was there a dedicated HN submission for this topic? This is extremely fascinating to me. In what Andrej Karpathy calls "software 2.0"[1], leaking your model is equivalent to leaking the main IP of your company. Unlike source code where it loses value quickly out of context (e.g. twitch leaked their code yet that didn't spawn a bunch of twitch clones), models can be fine-tuned and transfer-learning-ed for many other p…

I did actually submit a link to a GitHub issue about this, but it seems to have been blocked by HN. I can see the post title when I'm logged in but as a guest it doesn't show anything at all. The post wasn't even flagged as dead. It doesn't show up in my submitted links list when logged out either. I don't know if it tripped an internal filter on HN or something. Here is the link to the post in case you're curious. h…

Showing up as a blank page for me. Fascinating.

https://i.imgur.com/NzFX5Cz.png

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by Brusco_RF »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #81
c7DJTLrn wrote: post #14

When you realise Reddit is moderated by unpaid megalomaniacs and teenagers, everything starts to fall into place. In some ways Reddit is worse than Facebook because it is influenced by anonymous entities with zero checks and balances.

> In some ways Reddit is worse than Facebook because it is influenced by anonymous entities with zero checks and balances. The discourse in many subreddits is invisibly dictated by the moderators. It's not obvious when you browse posts because everything is organically coming from random people. However, moderators can entirely shape the conversation by only allowing posts that say what they want. In other words: The…

I spent a large part of my formative years on Reddit and I agree with everything you just said. I don't know how to fix the issue, but I have some ideas.

One would be a "mod action audit." Each subreddit, or perhaps each moderator, would have a score indicating what % of comments are removed. Some random chunk of the removed content could be reviewed by auditors to determine what % were just spam and what came from legitimate users.

This way when I see a community where >50% of content is removed, I know that what I'm seeing is not organic.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by Brusco_RF »

spookthesunset wrote: post #116
caconym_ wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100%. The reality of moderation on Reddit is absolutely horrifying, like flipping over a rock and finding a pile of decomposing rat carcasses underneath. It's unbelievable, for instance, how often comments going against the grain are "shadow removed".

For forget you can get preemptively banned from many subs simply by posting in a “wrong think” sub the mods don’t like. Granted you can just create a new account to route around it but still…

For a good laugh, drop a comment in /r/ChurchOfCovid and watch the auto-bans roll in for a few hours
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