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Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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When you realise Reddit is moderated by unpaid megalomaniacs and teenagers, everything starts to fall into place. In some ways Reddit is worse than Facebook because it is influenced by anonymous entities with zero checks and balances.

> In some ways Reddit is worse than Facebook because it is influenced by anonymous entities with zero checks and balances.

The discourse in many subreddits is invisibly dictated by the moderators.

It's not obvious when you browse posts because everything is organically coming from random people. However, moderators can entirely shape the conversation by only allowing posts that say what they want.

In other words: The moderators are speaking through users, by selectively filtering out everyone else. Many subreddits are also famous for banning any commenters who say anything that doesn't support what the moderators want to see. The remaining unbanned users are effectively curated to echo what the moderators want you to see.

Discord obviously has the same dynamics, but Discord makes it more obvious when you're switching between "servers". Reddit mashes it all into one feed that feels like something organic.

In this case, I suspect the core issue is that the person used the Stable Diffusion trademark, which resulted in Stable Diffusion playing the legal card. The correct response would have been to force a rename of this Discord (if legally obligated), though.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's relevant because the moderator in the OP is a teenager and I question if kids should be handed the reigns to moderate like this no questions asked.

If nobody is being harmed, why not. It's unpaid management experience. Giving kids responsibilities drives maturity.

Sure, but at the same time that's a lot of power to give to a random teenager (or anyone, for that matter).

Case in point, I dug into it the drama here a bit more, and it seems like the kid basically just handed control of the entire Stable Diffusion Reddit and Discord communities to the Stability AI corporation, no questions asked. That creates all sorts of conflicts of interest, and it seems to have been done against the wishes of the community itself.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

#84

When you realise Reddit is moderated by unpaid megalomaniacs and teenagers, everything starts to fall into place. In some ways Reddit is worse than Facebook because it is influenced by anonymous entities with zero checks and balances.

> In some ways Reddit is worse than Facebook because it is influenced by anonymous entities with zero checks and balances. The discourse in many subreddits is invisibly dictated by the moderators. It's not obvious when you browse posts because everything is organically coming from random people. However, moderators can entirely shape the conversation by only allowing posts that say what they want. In other words: The…

Absolutely. And the front page is just full of this kind of specially curated content that aligns with the moderators' views. It's propaganda, basically. Question is whose?

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

#85

When you realise Reddit is moderated by unpaid megalomaniacs and teenagers, everything starts to fall into place. In some ways Reddit is worse than Facebook because it is influenced by anonymous entities with zero checks and balances.

> In some ways Reddit is worse than Facebook because it is influenced by anonymous entities with zero checks and balances. The discourse in many subreddits is invisibly dictated by the moderators. It's not obvious when you browse posts because everything is organically coming from random people. However, moderators can entirely shape the conversation by only allowing posts that say what they want. In other words: The…

On the other hand, nobody forces the feed on you if you choose your own community. Yes popular subs can be very political and biased but it doesn't mean you have to join them.

On reddit, you can totally avoid bans and still say something. On Facebook, your words and your whole account have no value if the algorithm decides you spoke a 'no no word'.

Facebook feed is entirely controlled by the algorithm and that algorithm is controlled by the people at Facebook, the reddit feed can be controlled by you. That difference alone makes Reddit a little bit better than Facebook.

Getting banned on Facebook is extremely easy, I got banned for quoting someone's comment and replying with 'ok' and unfortunately I'm not kidding. So far on reddit, haven't gotten any bans or warnings and I have always kept my discussions civil.

Facebook wants conformity, it doesn't slap you on the wrist if you do something that Zuckerberg doesn't approve, it totally takes your voice away for a long time.

I deleted my 10 year old Facebook account because the censorship was getting really crazy. Somebody could give you death threats and your comments would be the one getting deleted by Facebook, that's how bad it got near the end of 2020.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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post #12

I recently posted on a subreddit that has the name of a big company. The post became popular. I could not believe my eyes, when some hours later, the post was edited. I have never seen that before. Mods cannot edit users posts, right? Do some companies have superpowers on their sub, or did they reach out to Reddit to change the post?

You should also check the login history for your account-- it may not be impossible that your account is compromised.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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post #44

So, to summarize: Both Reddit and Discord force transfered seemingly officially named communities to the trademark owning entity. That sucks, but it’s also something that social media companies have been doing 10 times a week since forever. Is there something special about this instance that makes it news?

Reddit did not "force transfer" the community, the top moderator was convinced to hand it over.

Reddit, for all its faults, goes to great lengths to give its moderators latitude and discretion to operate their communities, and only steps in as an absolute last resort.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

#88

When you realise Reddit is moderated by unpaid megalomaniacs and teenagers, everything starts to fall into place. In some ways Reddit is worse than Facebook because it is influenced by anonymous entities with zero checks and balances.

Anyone can become a Facebook influencer and own pages that will be seen on everyone's news feed. Anyone can moderate Facebook pages and groups. There are few differences. It's web 2.0 by design.

I'm now over 30 years old, but I started being a mod/admin on online spaces when I was about 13. Back then it was IRC, several BBS's, flash chat and flash games.

If I do a total count, I personally supervise over 250k people in Facebook groups alone. Add to that the fact that anyone can comment on Facebook pages and you get an even higher number (millions).

I do it out of love for my communities but I know people who do it just for the power. You'd be surprised at how many pages there about major franchises that share the same admin/mods with the sole goal of controlling what is said there. I know people who create a page the minute a new trailer for a product or franchise comes out without even being interested themselves.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

#89

https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/xzdkio/stab... apparently, there is a separate drama about hacking at SD and accusations of ownership of code.

Was there a dedicated HN submission for this topic?

This is extremely fascinating to me. In what Andrej Karpathy calls "software 2.0"[1], leaking your model is equivalent to leaking the main IP of your company. Unlike source code where it loses value quickly out of context (e.g. twitch leaked their code yet that didn't spawn a bunch of twitch clones), models can be fine-tuned and transfer-learning-ed for many other purposes

Since these models take millions of dollars to train, I see these sort of hacks becoming a thing! I wonder when companies will start adding "trap streets"[2] to prove that others are using their stolen models?

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y57wwucbXR8

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trap_street

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

#90
post #44

So, to summarize: Both Reddit and Discord force transfered seemingly officially named communities to the trademark owning entity. That sucks, but it’s also something that social media companies have been doing 10 times a week since forever. Is there something special about this instance that makes it news?

Many people are under the false impression that Discord, Reddit, Twitter, etc., treat ordinary people the same way they do corporations and celebrities. Which is obviously false, as we see here--on these platforms, corporations win every time.

Social media died the day that Shaquille O'Neal was no longer @THE_REAL_SHAQ.

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